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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Which isn’t at all how PhD programs work. This is a supreme dick move to students are going to be forced to leave with an AbD for no other reason than Trumps ego. This is going to burn the children of the most powerful families across the world. Monarchies, dictators, owners of international conglomerates, etc all send their kids to Harvard. Destroying their children’s education out of a fit of malice is going to hau…

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The percentage of Harvard international students who fall into this category is statistically insignificant. It’s not even worth framing.

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I am going to get downvoted and flagged because I will bring up a topic that is not to be discussed here: From a similar CNN article: "Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem ordered her department to terminate Harvard’s Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification, making good on a promise made last month when she demanded the university hand over detailed records on its international students’ “illegal and vi…

If you read the original list of demands[1],very few of the bullet points seems to be actually about the protests and anti-semitism, with the bulk of the demands involving DEI , reverse-DEI (i.e. more inclusion of white, conservative voices ) and greater federal control and oversight over Harvard's administration. If you read Harvards's response[2], you will see that the university is more than willing to co-operate on 'anti-semitism' and suppression of the protestors, but are pushing back against all the other items.

It seems that what is portrayed as a dispute over Palestine, antisemitism and qamas is actually a cover for a power-struggle between the liberals and conservatives ( such as the Heritage foundation, Project 2025, and Yarvinites)

[1] - https://www.harvard.edu/research-funding/wp-content/uploads/...

[2] - https://www.harvard.edu/research-funding/wp-content/uploads/...

edit : But when i think of it more, maybe it is about Israel and Zionism but over a longer time-scale than recent events. If you look at some of the early anti-'woke' and anti-left movements like the self-proclaimed 'Intellectual dark web', lot of them are zionists who viewed the growing liberal disenchantment with zionism in the college campus and left-wing activism (including pro-palestine activism like the BDS movement) as an existential threat to Israel.

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The truly depressing thing is, a lot of people are actually happy about this action. How did things get so bad, so quickly? People who lived under authoritarian regimes have long said that things move slowly at first, but after an inflection point, get real bad, real fast. It's one thing to understand that intellectually, quite another to witness it first hand. Hopefully, the judiciary will block this particular madn…

If you only allow the loud-crazies of one side to be in the public sphere for about a decade, people will associate those crazies with one side of the political aisle. While being under the impression that the other side is far more sane.

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I used that example because it’s my family. My mom’s family’s landholdings have grown in value as our capital city grows, so my aunts and uncles are selling plots and buying houses in California in cash. This is after distributing my grandfather’s estate among a dozen kids. From a country where the per-capita GDP is $2,400 per year. How do you think that happened? This background is table stakes for being part of the 0.1% that has the means to emigrate out of these countries and send their kids to elite American schools.

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In what way would you like to hold them responsible? If there are reprisals for voting, do we live in a liberal democracy? Edit: If by "hold responsible" you mean "be mad at them" then yes, of course you can, I can't read a comment section that isn't mostly that, and you knew that before making this comment.

>If there are reprisals for voting That's what's happening now.. >"hold responsible" you mean "be mad at them" You make it sound simplistic. I mean calling them out, demanding an explanation. You have friends who support this then let them know you think they are wrong. All these horrific regimes throughout history, how did it happen? The majority of people agreed with it or was a vocal minority left alone because mo…

If you want to blow up personal relationships over politics because you think it will help, be my guest. People do it routinely. If it is "good" is an open question.

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Academia let itself get too political these last 10 years and deserved some kind of reckoning for it, yet somehow this manages to be so shameless that it makes academia look like the good guys standing up to an oppressive regime. Which means Harvard leadership actually has more reputation to gain by fighting this than by backing down, very similar to all those tariffed countries.

So academia being political was a bad thing, but now it's a good thing. How does that make any sense?

I didn't say that, why would you think I said that?

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What will the HN crowd do when Y Combinator's banned from foreign participants?

The techbros aren't too worried. Elon, Peter Thiel and the Paypal mafia put Trump into the white house and have a direct line and special carvout exemptions. JD Vance was groomed by Thiel and is a heartbeat away from the presidency.

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How is the Supreme Court's 9-0 decision in favor of returning Garcia working out? The courts have been beaten months ago. We are well into crazy train territory.

We are in a non-constitutional crazy train territory, which will continue unless the right leaning voters do something about it at mid-terms. We're in the beginning of a very dangerous era.

They're not going to do anything about it. This is what they voted for. They thrive on our fear and anger. This is their revenge for the perceived wrongs of the Obama and Biden administrations.

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Exactly what “consequence” are you talking about? Voting by design is protected from retribution.

Retribution from the government, I meant socially.

That’s why there is a secret ballot. There cant be retribution unless you advertise your vote.

Either way, at the point you’re talking of socially ostracizing a majority of the US population since Trump won the popular vote too.

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