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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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I wonder what avenues there are for Harvard to challenge this; it looks like the mechanism the Trump Admin used was for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to cancel Harvard's Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP) certification [0] which is managed by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) [1].

Does ICE just have full discretion over SEVP? Can they do this to any school for whatever reason they want?

[0] https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/05/22/harvard-university-loses...

[1] https://www.dhs.gov/publication/dhsicepia-001-student-exchan...

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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I wonder what avenues there are for Harvard to challenge this; it looks like the mechanism the Trump Admin used was for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to cancel Harvard's Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP) certification [0] which is managed by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) [1]. Does ICE just have full discretion over SEVP? Can they do this to any school for whatever reason they want? […

The actual letter explains they can regain status by ratting out their students.

It will quietly be done, although likely in a way that make it look as if Harvard hasn't.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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If they can do this to Harvard, what hope do other universities have?

Can they really do this? You're telling me this is real and not one of those "just for show" things that have no real teeth and will eventually get overturned by a judge?

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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I am going to get downvoted and flagged because I will bring up a topic that is not to be discussed here:

From a similar CNN article:

"Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem ordered her department to terminate Harvard’s Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification, making good on a promise made last month when she demanded the university hand over detailed records on its international students’ “illegal and violent activities” before April 30 or face the loss of its certification."

Okay, who could they possibly be talking about? Right. The Gaza protesters.

Miriam Adelson - $150m donated to Trump, second highest

Elon Musk is not the only one that bought the White House. So there is a genocide that if any of us tech people had some courage we could easily make some pretty wild visualizations of the before/after of Gaza maps, and the current full scale ethnic cleansing of it, but we can't bring it up. We're failing as tech people on this, but so is the whole world.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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post #28

I am going to get downvoted and flagged because I will bring up a topic that is not to be discussed here: From a similar CNN article: "Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem ordered her department to terminate Harvard’s Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification, making good on a promise made last month when she demanded the university hand over detailed records on its international students’ “illegal and vi…

It could be Gaza protesters sure but it could be anyone. Previously legal residents were deported for minor traffic violations.

They’re trying to hit some targets for deportation numbers and shipping home “criminal” foreign students is an easy win.

Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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post #26

I wonder what avenues there are for Harvard to challenge this; it looks like the mechanism the Trump Admin used was for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to cancel Harvard's Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP) certification [0] which is managed by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) [1]. Does ICE just have full discretion over SEVP? Can they do this to any school for whatever reason they want? […

The actual letter explains they can regain status by ratting out their students. It will quietly be done, although likely in a way that make it look as if Harvard hasn't.

Maybe, but I doubt it. Trump is not a mafia boss - time after time he showed that his words cannot be trusted. If Harvard makes a concession, there's no guarantee that Trump will "forgive" it.

Look how China is dealing with Trump. Trump announces tariffs, China returns Boeing planes, tariffs somehow comes down.

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