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ROLF
Rolling on laughing floor
They are indeed some of the best floors to roll on.
Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM
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#832Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…
People on hn seem weirdly obsessed with trudeau's handling of the trucker protest. Regardless of what you think of it, at this point it is very old news and trudeau's actions were controversial but largely popular. The handling of the trucker protest is not why he resigned. It is not why he is unpopular.
Hacker News is pretty much far right when it comes to politics. Heck the moderators refused to allow any criticism of the monarchy when the queen died but allowed it when Jimmy Carter died.
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People don’t seem to understand that the government rules based on enough popular support. When the police start siding with protestors that’s a government problem, not police problem.
The protest did not have popular support amongst the general population. If police support a fringe movement that's an everybody problem.
Look at it by age, it was highest by the youngest age group (61% had sympathy for the protest in the 18-35 age range) - the working age.
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> Thing is, the federal government does not have the power to "ask the police" to do anything. Wut? The RCMP reports to Parliament up through the Public Safety minister. The bucks stops with the PM. The federal government has not only the right but the obligation to hold the RCMP accountable.
But that's not what I was arguing? Holding accountable is not the same as telling them what to do in terms of enforcement action. This was actually discussed as a specific controversy at the time the convoy was undergoing. Trudeau getting on the phone with chief of police and asking him to clear the protest would be a serious breach of political standards in our democracy. Also the police in question here are the Ott…
Your phrasing is "do not have the power". Trudeau most certainly does have the power.
And I'd disagree about breeching political standards. The police are an executive function and report to the PM. I'd like to think Canadians know that.
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#835A friend of mine recently finished his engineering PhD at the University of Toronto. He received employment offers from an American firm and a Canadian firm. The Canadian firm offered a total compensation package worth 80,000 CAD (~55,000 USD); the American firm offered him nearly 275,000 USD.
Correlates well with the Univ.Waterloo System Design Engineering Class of 2023 Profile - https://nguyen-kha.github.io/SYDE_2023_Class_Profile_Officia...
Relevant slides are #97 and #101.
Percentage of class with Full time positions outside of Canada: 71.5%
Median Total compensation for US positions is about double the Median Total compensation for Canadian positions.
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#836Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the court of law later determined that this was an abuse of power and unlawful. The fact that there is an existing law that can be abused does not negate the argument that abusing it is unlawful.
> And the court of law later determined […] And an Act -mandated commission said it was warranted: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Emergency_Commiss...
I've read this comment multiple times and now I'm greatly confused because it does not appear to be meant humorously.
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#837Earlier quoted context omitted.
The protest did not have popular support amongst the general population. If police support a fringe movement that's an everybody problem.
Look at it by age, it was highest by the youngest age group (61% had sympathy for the protest in the 18-35 age range) - the working age.
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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM
#838Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…
I don’t follow Canadian politics, and I don’t know that much about Trudeau, but having the capital full of honking, mad truckers, holding the government hostage for their demands to be met in a time of crisis sounds like an absolute nightmare.
Do we think it might be a little intellectually dishonest to equate a peaceful political protest with an armed hostage-taker?
I think this is important regardless of whether you believe in their specific target of protest or not. The right to peacefully protest is very very important, and your feelings on a specific protest should be wholly divorced from the importance of preserving the right to protest in general.
Nobody was held hostage. People unhappy with their rulers took peacefully to the streets and made noise and peacefully and temporarily interfered with some business activity.
This is the furthest thing from “holding the government hostage”. It’s the adversarial relationship between the populace and the state working exactly as intended and designed.
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#839This video is why Canada is different from the USA. The prime minister and other politicians will interact with comedians.
see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ns7EsDVNwA&t=262s for a view that every Canadian knew was coming since last summer.
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iirc the finding was that it was within the power of the province to handle the situation. The thing is, the province wasn't using the powers it had to handle it. The situation was obviously an emergency. You can't just let a convoy of heavy vehicles occupy your national capital indefinitely and say "not a problem, the provincial govt could theoretically handle this" I'm not sure the Quebec kidnappings would have met…
It may have been an emergency in the first days with the honking. That largely stopped after a week or so. They switched to camping in front of the parliament with bouncy castles etc. The bridge that was occupied in another province was cleared. I'm really not under the impression that at the time they went in there was any emergency. It was ugly: Peaceful unarmed protesters in pedestrian zones with no trucks in sigh…
yea if you ignore the public shitting, public pissing, drunkenness, the harassment of locals, then yea, it was only bouncy castles, or stuff like this