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Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by dbg31415 »

zamadatix wrote: post #607
dbg31415 wrote: post #575

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There was a weird movie with Justin Timberlake called "In Time" and I would use that model. The moment a video is born, it lives until its sponsored time runs out. If a content creator wants to leave something up and reap some internal ad-sales, or tip-generation scheme... they just have to sponsor the video with more time. People who like it, can also sponsor it. And sure, have some sort of "Library of Congress" fea…

Cold storage is next to toilet paper on their expense sheet. The vast majority of cost is in processing the incoming video and serving it, somewhere on the order of 25x more than the cost of storage if I recall an analysis from a ways back. Deleting the old content with such a system doesn't save much money, doesn't sound good to the users, and adds complexity. It'd be an interesting take on a popularity algorithm bu…

Hmm... I'm skeptical.

At some point, no matter how cheap cold storage is, the "dead" content costs will trump the live content streaming. Like postpone but... at some point content needs to be pruned. What's the value in keeping everything forever? 1 year after the video was last viewed? 5? Like when can you safely purge videos?

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by stevenwliao »

WA wrote: post #567
Geee wrote: post #129

Youtube, especially, turns into a whole different experience. Ad in front of every video makes it impossible to quickly browse and sort through videos. I might watch just a few seconds and then go to the next one. When ads are enabled, the experience is so painful that I'm not likely to use Youtube this way any more. I have to watch an ad before I've made the decision if I want to watch the video.

Well, you can buy YouTube premium and have no ads.

I wonder why people feel entitled to content they didn't pay for.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by matheusmoreira »

rsanek wrote: post #786
matheusmoreira wrote: post #597

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Or you can install an adblocker instead which also blocks much of the surveillance. There's also sponsor block which blocks ads that even paying customers are forced to see. Don't support these advertisers in any way. Especially Google.

I hope folks that take this stance support creators in another fashion, like through Patreon. Otherwise the content that is consumed by those ad blocking won't get produced, simply because the creator can't make a living off of it. That makes me uncomfortable as I believe most of us on HN like at least some YouTube content and would like to see more of it.

I'm more than happy to pay for content. I support creators even though I know it's a crappy deal since all I get for my money is a worthless license which puts me at their mercy since I own nothing.

I will absolutely not tolerate ads of any kind and if their business model is ads I would rather see them go bankrupt than put up with it.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by hnthrowaway0315 »

timbit42 wrote: post #705
hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #309

I have Ad-block but still see a lot of Ads. I started to shun certain websites (major news sites particularly) a while ago. The only occasions I turn it off is when I legitimately believe that authors deserve a bit of extra revenue from Ads.

Try Ublock Origin instead of Ad-block.

Thanks, will try it out.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by no1lives4ever »

HWR_14 wrote: post #819
no1lives4ever wrote: post #794

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IMO youtube is the primary platform where those looking for videos will search first up. Thing is that if you have a large number of videos, you never know when one of them will get you a large number of views and subscribers. Or maybe in future google will have different goalposts for monetization. Overall, it is always good to have videos on youtube even if you are not monetizing them.

Good for who? good for Google. But how is giving free content to Google good for the poster?

If in future google changes monetization goalposts, then the poster can potentially make some cash from the older posted videos. And it is entirely possible that one video gets popular and brings in a ton of views and subscribers to the channel.

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Post by BizarroLand »

scubbo wrote: post #579
sebastien_b wrote: post #374

I call it a malware blocker, rather than an adblocker - here's my reasoning: One day I was on a classifieds site[1], browsing listings, when after a few pages, I was met with a page redirect to one of those scammy support center sites (taking over the browser), advising that my computer had been infected by a virus (obviously hadn't) and I needed to call in to "Apple's Support Center" immediately. This was on Safari…

I get what you're saying, but I think that's actually counter-productive. To present things like uBlock as malware blockers suggests that "any ad which is not malware is fine". I think it's perfectly justifiable to guard against non-malware ads _as well as_ malware (ads or otherwise).

I have an air filter that has 2 stages, a thin, washable filter for large dust particles and a non-reusable hepa filter that has to be replaced every 3-6 months for optimal results.

I view pihole and ublock as the washable filter. It takes care of the big stuff, prevents my computer from ever seeing most of the avenues for malware to propagate. Then my antivirus can easily mop up whatever slips through.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by avarju »

jallbrit wrote: post #826
cercatrova wrote: post #186

I have a list of adblockers I use, hope it helps other people here: Desktop: - Pi-Hole (network wide adblocking) - AdGuard (device wide adblocking) Web browsers: - uBlock Origin - uMatrix (not developed anymore but still works, can also use NoScript) - SponsorBlock (blocks in-video sponsor segments, intros, outros, filler tangents, etc in YouTube) Mobile: - Firefox for Android / Kiwi Browser (both have web extension…

Are there any iOS app-based solutions for dealing with YouTube ads? The app you mentioned (YouTube++) appears to require a jailbroken iPhone. I've read that AdGuard Pro can work with mobile Safari YouTube ads, but I'm curious about an app solution. Seems like there's plenty of stuff out there for Android.

I use the paid version of 1Blocker, and it seems to handle YouTube ads from within Safari. I had to uninstalled the YouTube app to keep everything in-browser.

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Post by thirdsun »

ghusbands wrote: post #668
ofou wrote: post #659

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If you subscribe to YT, the ads are gone, plus music.

Though rewarding Google for an anticompetitive solution to a problem they created is... problematic.

Showing ads in videos isn't exactly new. I think Youtube Premium is too expensive, particularly if you don't have any use for their subpar music feature. However the concept of paying for an ad-free experience doesn't seem alien to me. A more affordable plan that just removes the ads would be welcome (and I hear it's planned).

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Post by thirdsun »

razakel wrote: post #679
reaperducer wrote: post #620

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Why should I give them this free compute? Why should they give you free content?

They transmitted it into my house. I didn't ask for it.

I think opening their video amounts to asking for their content.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by env123 »

junaru wrote: post #373
cercatrova wrote: post #186

I have a list of adblockers I use, hope it helps other people here: Desktop: - Pi-Hole (network wide adblocking) - AdGuard (device wide adblocking) Web browsers: - uBlock Origin - uMatrix (not developed anymore but still works, can also use NoScript) - SponsorBlock (blocks in-video sponsor segments, intros, outros, filler tangents, etc in YouTube) Mobile: - Firefox for Android / Kiwi Browser (both have web extension…

> YouTube Vanced I get why they want to stay anonymous but that website is no different from any other malware site - no source, no authors just some affiliate links. Putting your google credentials in an app like that is not something people should be comfortable with.

Just use it w/o logging in. I have a YT account, but I never login with Vanced. I only do so when I have something very important to add in the comment section and that happens on the desktop. You don't have to be too paranoid
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