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Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by brimble »

Geee wrote: post #129

Youtube, especially, turns into a whole different experience. Ad in front of every video makes it impossible to quickly browse and sort through videos. I might watch just a few seconds and then go to the next one. When ads are enabled, the experience is so painful that I'm not likely to use Youtube this way any more. I have to watch an ad before I've made the decision if I want to watch the video.

One of the little absurdities of our modern world is having to watch an ad before you are allowed to watch an ad that you requested (movie trailers, superbowl ads that people sometimes share, that kind of thing)

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by Quigglez »

xfz wrote: post #124
Quigglez wrote: post #97

Open ended question, is there a solution? Inherently people trying to make money from their website either have to charge people directly with money for access or indirectly by having them see/hear ads. Advertisers inherently want their ads to be seen/heard, which means there is pressure to make their ads more intrusive. Yet the more intrusive the ads become, the more annoyed the person accessing the content becomes…

> > Open ended question, is there a solution? Spotify found a solution that works for music.

So the solution is having the choice of either paying not to have ads or having ads? I'm not saying that is right or wrong, I just want to clarify.

Food for thought, I wonder if that works specifically for them because it's harder to block their ads. I.e. it typically takes a different level of expertise to block their ads, as compared to a browser extension (have to block their ad traffic on a network level). Or is it really something else about their product?

As a counter example, I don't pay for youtube premium. Definitely part of the reason behind that is because it's easy to block them so long as I'm watching in a browser.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by commoner »

TheIronMark wrote: post #107
skummetmaelk wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about making content that people actually feel like they obtain value in their lives from. They'd pay for that. Instead we have the majority of content creators engaged in an arms race to hijack your attention and produce the most outrageous, rather than best, content possible because more outrage = more eyeballs = more ads.

> How about making content that people actually feel like they obtain value in their lives from. Not believing the content has value does not actually give you the right to get it for free.

When the content provider offers the content for free, the viewer obtains the right to consume any portions of the content they want for free. If a website wants to require the viewer to consume all of the content when they view it, they can do that in their terms of service, though it might not be legally enforceable. Most sites don't.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by [deleted] »

pwython wrote: post #473
marcodiego wrote: post #278

I wanted to show a video on YouTube to a friend. He passed me his cellphone. I searched and found the video and then something very strange happened: a completely unrelated something started playing. I said "Sorry I don't know what is this. This has nothing to do with what I wanted to show you." He then explained me that was just an advertisement and the video would play soon. People are used to abuse. My internet is…

Just curious, if you owned YouTube with an overhead of tens of millions of dollars per year, how would you monetize it without ads/commercials, just to even keep up with operational costs?

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Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by timbit42 »

hnthrowaway0315 wrote: post #309

I have Ad-block but still see a lot of Ads. I started to shun certain websites (major news sites particularly) a while ago. The only occasions I turn it off is when I legitimately believe that authors deserve a bit of extra revenue from Ads.

Try Ublock Origin instead of Ad-block.

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by synergy20 »

kmonsen wrote: post #605
synergy20 wrote: post #593

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I bought prime youtube, it's basically a pay-to-get-rid-of-my-ads, fine with me but yes lower price will be better. maybe that's what they earn from a visitor per month via selling ads?

But you might as well just install an adblocker instead? It is free and there are no ads. They can block people who are using adblocker from watching, as long as they don't do that I can't really see any moral grey area here.

I ran ads blockers but they seems not blocking Youtube's embedded ads shown up randomly every a few minutes, which is annoying. But you might be correct, just found out: Adblock for Youtube at chrome store, will try it. Thanks.

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Post by Quigglez »

cartesius13 wrote: post #665
xKuni wrote: post #646

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> Open ended question, is there a solution? Regulation. It's a harsh measure, but I doubt there is another one. The last 20 years people tried to find alternative solutions. We have pay-walls, we have crowdfounding, we have various subscription models, I fail to see a solution that hasn't been tried, but yet every single year we get exposed to more ads. It seems extremly unlikely that there is something that could re…

If any regulation about ads ever comes into existence it will be against adblockers, making them illegal or something. Or do you happen to have billions and power and influence to lobby like crazy?

Yea I have to agree. Although it'd be interesting to see some sort of regulation against advertisers, it's hard to imagine a situation where that actually comes to fruition. In all honesty although I don't like ads, sites are well within their rights to try as hard as they can to show them to me, so long as that doesn't extend past their website.

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Post by timbit42 »

siskiyou wrote: post #325

The reason I use an ad blocker and noscript is because focused reading is impossible without these countermeasures. It's as if they don't want me to read and pay attention what they wrote.

Well, technically, they're not making money from what they wrote so yeah, they only care that you see the ads, and they only care about the headline insomuch as it draws you in to click so you can see the ads.

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Post by HWR_14 »

sixothree wrote: post #657
reaperducer wrote: post #616

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love a 1m ad on every 10s video Christmas 2020 I tried to watch midnight Mass from Saint Patrick's Cathedral in New York on YouTube. (Not live; after.) SIX MINUTES of commercials at the start, and the rest of the program had TWENTY-SIX commercial breaks. I haven't watched YouTube since.

What is happening is they are pushing you to Youtube Premium.

Sounds like they pushed him away from YouTube. And they pushed others into adblockers

Re: Adblocking people and non-adblocking people experience a different web

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Post by foxfluff »

robomartin wrote: post #672
foxfluff wrote: post #451

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> In exchange for being exposed to advertising at a restaurant, you get free pizza. Are you required to sign a contract for this exchange to happen? In that case, you would be breaching a contract, which is not the same as theft. If there's no contract, then I am free to go into a restaurant, plug in my earphones, keep my eyes glued to my laptop/phone and focus on whatever I want & ignore whatever else might be going…

You can twist and turn your way around arguments and convince yourself that you are not a thief. That's fine. Good for you. Enjoy. Behind all of this there are businesses, which consist of people with jobs who have families and responsibilities. Just because you don't see the effects of your actions it does not mean there are no effects. You are stealing something that costs money to create and support and you have c…

I'm disappointed that after starting a conversation you consider very important, you don't actually want to participate and argue in good faith.
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