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Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by ceejayoz »

lenkite wrote: post #670
ceejayoz wrote: post #535

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When antifa storms the Capitol and gets Congressional representation (i.e. folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene), do let me know.

Well, actually an Antifa activist (who also came on CNN) was one of those charged for inciting the Capitol attack: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/utah-man-charged-federal-... https://www.newsweek.com/john-sullivan-capitol-attack-leftwi... With men like these deliberately egging on rioters, it's no wonder a protest turned violent.

One guy? This guy?

> Activists in Utah have spent months condemning Sullivan, who has at turns identified himself as a racial justice protester and leftist documentarian, and they have warned others to be leery of his motives and any events he sponsored.

> He held rallies featuring Black organizers. But attendees said one demonstration also featured members of the Proud Boys, an all-male extremist group with ties to white nationalism. The Proud Boys who attended, organizers said, told the crowd they wished to make peace with Black activists.

> Later in the summer, Sullivan helped organize a pro-gun-rights rally and marched with self-styled militia members at the Utah Capitol, KSL-TV reported, further infuriating Black activists.

> Sullivan’s reputation as an agitator and bad actor has followed him into other protest circles. In encrypted chats among left-leaning activists, organizers routinely flag posts by Sullivan to new members, saying, “Don’t trust that guy” and, pointing to his past ties with the Proud Boys, “He’s a double agent.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/16/sullivan-vi...

"Our mob can be incited to kill a cop by a single probably-not-really-antifa infiltrator tagging along" is a hell of a way to argue they're not dangerous.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by philwelch »

e40 wrote: post #268
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #13

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I'm sure public support for removing Facebook from app stores wouldn't be too different than Parler. If we are principled people, and FB is failing to moderate, then any reasonable person who supported Parler's removal would support Facebook's. What would be different between the two decisions is the sheer magnitude of money on the line, in the case of Facebook's removal -- in capital markets, in employment, etc.

A coworker has a lot of conservative friends. All of them were banned from FB until the 23rd. Even her daughter, who has never written any posts supporting DJT, but liked a few posts, was banned for the same time frame. I've read absolutely nothing about this in the news. She even shared a screenshot one of her friends shared with her. It said: "Your account is restricted right now. You're temporarily restricted from…

It looks like 1 out of my 3 openly conservative and active FB friends have gone silent since 1/6.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by BetterDays »

LarvaFX wrote: post #789
bigiain wrote: post #478

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And so were a nation that believes in democracy and democratic elections.

True. Here in Germany, we were very frightened by the attempts of the president to attack the election. It looked like a banana republic to be honest.

>True. Here in Germany, we were very frightened by the attempts of the president to attack the election. It looked like a banana republic to be honest.

Also German here. I watched the deepstate cabal steal an election through fraudulent mail-in voting.

Bland career politician Joe Biden received more votes than Barack Obama, who was hailed like the second coming of Jesus.

Must be disgruntled Donald Trump voters? No at all. Trump received even more votes than in 2016.

This election was shady with Biden losing most of the swing states and almost all of the traditional bellwethers.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by koolba »

jacquesm wrote: post #716
koolba wrote: post #634

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The only worse than the the content of that link was the writing style.

Thank you for your contribution. Note the error in the one line comment you made.

Ha! Well I'll take unintentional typos over the drivel in that article any day of the week.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by philwelch »

xanax wrote: post #51
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #13

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I'm sure public support for removing Facebook from app stores wouldn't be too different than Parler. If we are principled people, and FB is failing to moderate, then any reasonable person who supported Parler's removal would support Facebook's. What would be different between the two decisions is the sheer magnitude of money on the line, in the case of Facebook's removal -- in capital markets, in employment, etc.

Facebook is much bigger so the amount of upset users will be greater as well if it is removed. Plus all the big tech CEOs have their own little club so I doubt apple would mess with Facebook like that.

They have a history of messing with each other, though—Apple and Amazon have feuded pretty openly, as did Apple and Google.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by smolder »

philwelch wrote: post #818
pydry wrote: post #485

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>The zone's security forces subsequent killed several people (among them, ironically, an unarmed black 16 year old). There seem to be a lot of people who are absolutely certain that the security forces were responsible for this. The police aren't among their number, however, since they haven't detained, arrested or charged anyone. There was also another killing in the zone that was, iirc, erroneously blamed on the se…

The police stated that the crime scene had been cleaned of evidence by the time they arrived to investigate it.

That doesn't clear anything up or indicate guilt.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by philwelch »

ardy42 wrote: post #729
imgabe wrote: post #519

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Phone trees are a well known and used method to broadcast information via the phone system.

> Phone trees are a well known and used method to broadcast information via the phone system. And pretty bad at doing it. It's actually pretty funny to imagine someone trying to organize a movement via a phone tree.

In my home town, we had a local group of mostly old folks, largely right-wing, who would have monthly luncheons with local politicians, and the group was literally called the Phone Tree because that’s how they organized. Although in this case the “Phone Tree” was a primitive robodialer owned by the head of the organization and used to disseminate recorded announcements of when the next luncheon was and who would be the guest/s.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by throwaway316943 »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #426
zarkov99 wrote: post #312

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Can you substantiate that a little? Parler promoted itself as a champion of free speech which is not the same as saying "little to no moderation". They did have a moderation system in place. I do not know how many users they have per reviewer, do you?

Parler's slogan was "the world's premier free speech platform." They had no automated content scanning. They reportedly employed no moderators. According to Amazon's response to Parler's lawsuit, Amazon had spent almost two months repeatedly on calls for them asking them to take down several hundred specifically listed messages with death threats and such, which Parler simply declined to do. Parler reportedly had a c…

All this talk of Facebook being a paragon of skillful moderation while Parler was a Wild West of loose policy sounds a lot like comparing an acorn to an oak tree. Of course Parler didn’t have the same moderation tools, they weren’t a multi billion dollar company with a supranational sized user base and decades of growth. They were a small platform attempting to scale. What did Facebook moderation look like a few years after their launch? Or Reddit? They were just as cavalier as Parler.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by downandout »

alsetmusic wrote: post #658
downandout wrote: post #489

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What’s interesting about this to me is that Facebook, where most of the planning took place, is still online, while Parler has been, for all intents and purposes, killed. I wonder why AANG isn’t colluding to kill F like they did with Parler - by tomorrow morning - now that this has come to light. It seems only fair given that we now have an established standard of user behavior that dictates whether or not companies…

This reminds me of a discussion with a parent who was distressed about Parler being deplatformed. She was never on it, but her choices of news media told her this was “bad”. I argued that threats of violence were viable on the platform. She didn’t seem to believe me. I later sent screenshots of violent rhetoric that I found with a quick web search. No response. There are people who refuse the validity of reality righ…

If you’re referring to me being silent, the discussion seems to have made my point for me. I didn’t see the need to further interject. But here’s my take...

If you listen to mainstream media, you’ll see them telling their audience that Parler was “deplatformed” because the planning for the Capital attack occurred there - in fact you would get the impression that the planning only occurred there. Yet it turns out that Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter users also engaged in this behavior, and most of it occurred on Facebook.

There are two possible explanations for this. The first is that these “news” sources are knowingly lying to their audience about the reason big tech colluded to kill Parler. The second is that they believe what they are saying, which means that there is a new standard by which we decide whether or not social networks are allowed to operate - if attacks are planned on a given platform, big tech colludes to instantly shut it down.

We know that as of this morning, Facebook is still fully operational. So we either have “news” sources openly lying to their almost exclusively Democratic audience, or there is extreme hypocrisy in the way that big tech applies the new “Parler Standard”. It is one or the other, and neither of these say good things about our society.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by philwelch »

whoknew1122 wrote: post #281
ardy42 wrote: post #232

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> Examples are everywhere, you just have to not be in a bubble and be open to seeing it. I could keep going but you tell me, do you need more? If you strip out enough context, you can make any false equivalency you like. For instance: weren't the Allies and Axis in WWII basically the same? After all, they both used guns and bombs to commit violence.

It's true. And guess which side was antifa.

The Stalinists: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
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