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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by bigiain »

nostromo wrote: post #440
eganist wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Firstly, nobody was terrorized. I can count six DC-area thousand+ employee firms that provided grief counseling in response. And as a reminder, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism - even if a subset of people implemented violence with political ends in mind (breaking in, beating innocent people, attempting to take hostages, all in the name of overturning a legitimate election), at the very least, that subset me…

If you expand the definition of terrorism to such an absurd degree (anybody who may need grief counseling) you're diluting actual terrorism. The Pulse nightclub is what real terrorism looks like. And the Christchurch shootings. And 9/11. The storming of the capitol was not at all similar.

I think you're underestimating the intent of people who showed up with pipe bombs and flex cuffs and gallows.

Sure, there were a lot of play acting idiots hanging on and joining in, like that girl who seemed somehow incensed that she got pepper sprayed when "all she'd done" was "shown up for the revolution and trespassed on The Capitol", but not all of them were just clueless morons.

Some of them had plans and intent that would 100% be called "terrorism" if they were of middle eastern descent, and should 100% be called terrorism even though they're home-grown American citizens.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by zionic »

asdfk-12 wrote: post #438

Half of a billion in lobbying dollars well spent by FAANG[1] - business as usual continues for facebook despite their decreasing popularity and repeated scandal and failure, from Cambridge Analytica to Libra. Those in my immediate circle have mothballed or closed their accounts, although Instagram seems to have more holding power. 1: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajdellinger/2019/04/30/how-the-...

Patiently waiting for Apple and google to remove the facebook app, and AWS to... well... say they can’t join AWS someday.

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Post by a_new_start1 »

nostromo wrote: post #421
whoknew1122 wrote: post #266

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Far-right terrorism in the US has never really been taken seriously. No one took them seriously. Until the Capitol was attacked. The Feds are starting to roll up high ranking militia members, so hopefully they learned their lesson this time.

The rush to call the storming of the capitol terrorism is really misplaced. By adopting words like "terrorism" you're paving the way for an overreaching response from lawmakers and law enforcement -- something that will likely end up being used against a cause you might support, like BLM. Firstly, nobody was terrorized. No, this wasn't "our 9/11." I doubt it'll even be a topic of conversation in a few years, just lik…

There is something deeply wrong with you.

If I ever find out who you are...

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by toiletfuneral »

rootusrootus wrote: post #382
whoknew1122 wrote: post #303

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I apologize for being imprecise. Far-right terrorism hasn't been taken seriously until a far-right terrorist actually commits violence. Then government is vigilant for a couple of years and goes back to ignoring them. Far-right terror was taken seriously after the OKC bombing. But the far-right terrorist threat had been steadily increasing for three years at that point. Ruby Ridge and the Waco Siege contributed to a…

It seems to me that the unpleasant, but unavoidable conclusion is that a significant fraction of the citizenry is sympathetic to the far right domestic terrorists. Edit: If you think this is untrue, you have an extremely narrow filter bubble.

yup, my super normal white suburban middle class christian family think the capital assault was done by Patriots defending this country and literally want to see democrats murdered extrajudicially by maga chuds...but to most people they seem like perfectly "normal" conservatives.

(BTW this website is like 80% Pinochet fans, not sure what you were expecting lol)

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Post by pydry »

manfredo wrote: post #401
r00fus wrote: post #355

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Rolled, and let go on bail? [1] Or just released with a stay-away-from-DC order? [2] The discrepancy between how BLM and white nationalists are treated is staggering. [1] https://apnews.com/article/arrests-florida-nancy-pelosi-capi... [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/01/14/judg...

There was a varied response to BLM riots. In my city, BLM demonstrators - or at least people purporting to be part of BLM - declared several city blocks an autonomous zone. The zone's security forces subsequent killed several people (among them, ironically, an unarmed black 16 year old). It took the city 3 weeks to clear out this zone, and it was done without lethal force. By comparison, the people occupying the Capi…

>The zone's security forces subsequent killed several people (among them, ironically, an unarmed black 16 year old).

There seem to be a lot of people who are absolutely certain that the security forces were responsible for this.

The police aren't among their number, however, since they haven't detained, arrested or charged anyone.

There was also another killing in the zone that was, iirc, erroneously blamed on the security forces.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by zionic »

bananabreakfast wrote: post #71
beefee wrote: post #45

It's chilling how quickly the tech industry has coalesced around oppressive and biased social media censorship policies. A scant few years ago, the tech industry was a beacon of free expression.

It's chilling how quickly radical terrorist groups have coalesced around using social media to coordinate their hatred and their attacks. A scant few years ago, America actively fought terrorists instead of encouraging and facilitating them.

Wait, are you praising the era that gave us the “patriot” act and Waco?

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Post by jasonlotito »

zaroth wrote: post #457
jasonlotito wrote: post #442

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> What would you call the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone if not an attempt at insurrection? CHAZ: An occupation. They weren't killing anyone. They weren't trying to kill people. They literally setup a community garden. Capitol Hill attack: An insurrection. It was clearly a violent rebellion against the government of the US, with people actively working to kill the VPOTUS and members of the government. I can easily see…

In fact there were two shootings within a week in “CHAZ”, and one of the victims died.

Neither of which were the goals of CHAZ, both were related to gangs that happened to be there.

Context matters. One group had specific goals, none of which involved killing. The other group specifically was calling out to kill someone.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by downandout »

asdfk-12 wrote: post #438

Half of a billion in lobbying dollars well spent by FAANG[1] - business as usual continues for facebook despite their decreasing popularity and repeated scandal and failure, from Cambridge Analytica to Libra. Those in my immediate circle have mothballed or closed their accounts, although Instagram seems to have more holding power. 1: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajdellinger/2019/04/30/how-the-...

What’s interesting about this to me is that Facebook, where most of the planning took place, is still online, while Parler has been, for all intents and purposes, killed. I wonder why AANG isn’t colluding to kill F like they did with Parler - by tomorrow morning - now that this has come to light. It seems only fair given that we now have an established standard of user behavior that dictates whether or not companies can continue to exist.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by whateveracct »

dougk16 wrote: post #329
ryandrake wrote: post #93

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You know what’s also chilling? Major tech platforms choosing to publish, amplify, and normalize: white supremacy, antisemitism, serious calls to violently overthrow democracy, conspiracies about the deep state cabal of satan-worshiping pedophiles, the health benefits of drinking bleach, denial of well understood scientific facts, etc. These things are fine for the town square, since people have free speech, but nobod…

Who gets the megaphone? My answer is either everybody or nobody. :)

i mean, in the literal sense most people don't get megaphones, so nobody seems fair to me
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