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My Resignation from the Intercept

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Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by adjkant »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #787

Someone pretty familiar with Greenwald posted a pretty thorough, point-by-point takedown of the piece he wanted The Intercept to publish, and ended up publishing himself: https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1321923054499495938?s=... Frankly, if you read his original piece, it's exhaustingly shoddy. To say he needs an editor is putting it lightly.

It's sad I had to scour Twitter and replies here to find this on the third page.

The irony of HN upvoting comments that do the same op-ed ranting on their own issues and haven't seem to have thought critically about the article in question or the emails Greenwald himself leaked (which paints the publishing story quite differently from his version of it) is wild but not unexpected.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by jkhdigital »

joe_the_user wrote: post #749
jrochkind1 wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the general sense, it's not a new problem. One of the main points I got from Chomsky & Herman's _Manufacturing Consent_ (1988, analyzing news from a decade earlier), is that journalists print what the government says because it's convenient -- it's less work to print what the government (or anyone else) says at a press conference than to do your own research -- AND even when it comes to privately given info, becau…

You can go further back from Chomsky. I'm currently reading Guy de Maupassant's Bel Ami, which gives a grim portrait of journalists in 19th France as lazily serving the interests of those in power[1]. The thing about the situation is historically journalists have always served interests and ideologies. American journalism has a long and storied history but the idea of purely objective journalism is itself a particula…

I need to take a shower after reading that, to wash off the cynicism

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by joe_the_user »

colinmhayes wrote: post #818
joe_the_user wrote: post #764

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Sure and as an op-ed, the journal itself makes a decision whether it wants to front that opinion. The journal has stopped being close to Mr. Greenwald's perspective. Sure, maybe they changed the rules on him since it had become their publication. But that's a King Lear story, not a journalism story. "You broke your promise that I'd have unlimited publication rights" is a sad story of broken promises but it's not a st…

The point of op-ed's is that they differ from the publication's opinion. That's why they're opposite the editorial page, to provide a contrasting viewpoint. They've got their own columnists and the board for that.

The point of op-eds is they reflect a range of views the editors think is interesting, varied or whatever. Op-eds are still a matter of editorial decisions - obviously, papers don't just publish anything by anyone.

Maybe this is breaching the agree Greenwald had with the editor(s). But independent op-eds able to say whatever they want isn't a principle of journalistic integrity. Questions of that sort revolve around whether you lie or misdirect or run paid articles and so-forth. That you refuse to run an op-ed right when your writer really want it published is a wholly different question, one clearly about the paper having indeed evolved to a left-liberal position while Greenwald maintains his conservative/Libertarian principles - ie, the argument is political.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by anigbrowl »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #651
reilly3000 wrote: post #608

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-... This is why the Intercept didn't want to run Glenn's story. FYI this sob story has some precedent: In 2014: "I absolutely refuse to be exiled from my own country for the crime of doing journalism and I'm going to force the issue just on principle. And I think going back for a ceremony like the Polk Awards or other forms of journalistic awards would be a…

The NBC article is focused on an anonymously drafted report, which was mostly a dump of open source intel. The article criticizes that report for using a fake persona as its author. The initial disseminator of the report (who may or may not be the author of it as well) cites privacy and fear of retribution as reasons for publishing anonymously. What the NBC article does not do is address or refute any of the facts in…

If you want/need to publish anonymously, you use an obvious pseudonym (for a famous example, see The Federalist Papers). If you use a fake identity that's not obviously a pseudonym, people can reasonably suspect fraud.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by DogOfTheGaps »

Per New York Post reporters, the "Hunter Biden" story is total garbage:

https://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-post-skepticism-in-...

I find it strange that people expect "mainstream" press outlets to run with the story. This is not a story of media with an agenda. They did some basic fact checking and found it to be false. Pretty simple.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by facet1ous »

zaroth wrote: post #751
facet1ous wrote: post #701

I read through Glenn's draft after seeing the outrage on this thread and... it reads like a generic opinion piece. I think he makes some good points and some dumb ones, but that's besides the point in all honesty - most of the article is him just complaining about the state of the media, making accusations of double-standards, and full of inflammatory language. There's little investigative journalism, no interviews w…

It is an op-ed and was supposed to be published by the Intercept as an op-ed... The NY Times reports; > In a phone interview, Mr. Greenwald said he had received emails from Intercept editors outlining what the publication would allow and not allow in his article. “My arrangement with The Intercept since it began is my opinion pieces are not edited by anyone,” he said.

Oh my bad. I scanned his blog post to see if this was indicated and didn't notice any mention of it being an op-ed. Well to be honest in that case, I guess ignore what I said about newsroom standards - he may have a point against the Intercept if they're arbitrarily holding him to a higher (newsroom) standard than they normally would for op-ed pieces.

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Post by rorykoehler »

marcusverus wrote: post #411
ggggtez wrote: post #346

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It's also the kind of story that can break someone's journalistic career. Even Fox News wouldn't run the story because it wasn't supported by facts. And last I heard, there still has been no concrete evidence of wrongdoing. Tucker Carlson claims that his evidence "got lost in the mail". In the age of the internet, they didn't snap any photos of this so-called proof? There is no "there" there. Just a bunch of internet…

Glenn Greenwald is a Pulitzer prize winning journalist. He broke the Snowden story--another sensational-sounding scoop which likely sounded like total bullshit at first. Is it possible that Mr. Greenwald is a better judge of whether or not there is a story here?

The Biden story sounds like bs? I was under the impression that their alleged behaviour was the de facto standard in a capitalist system. I’d be surprised if anyone with that kind of power wasn’t leveraging it to secure generational wealth. It’s like athletes and doping. You’d be stupid not to try given the potential rewards.

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Post by Natsu »

ehsankia wrote: post #209
blhack wrote: post #131

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What do you mean this story hasn't been vetted? One of the major players in the story has gone on record, giving an approximately 45 minute long interview verifying the claims. The FBI and DNI have also both confirmed the validity of the laptop. How much more "verified" than that would you need?

The same FBI claims Giuliani is being used by foreign nations to influence our elections. What's your source? https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/giuliani-bi...

> The same FBI claims

Checks article:

> four former officials familiar with the matter.

I don't think we can call four anonymous sources the 'same FBI'.

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