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Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by torben-friis »

neogodless wrote: post #170

It's been clear for quite some time that terms like "Extreme", "Pro" and "Max" are marketing terms. They are not accurate classifications of how they will be used. If people feel strongly enough that the name is not accurate, they will have to buy a competing product that fulfills their needs at the price they are willing to pay. I suppose what would be interesting, but highly proprietary, would be Apple's marketing…

Pro at this point is just key for "the expensier/fancier one".

It's hard to name the more expensive version to convey it's better without in turn suggesting the cheaper one is shittier.

"Pro" lets you do that by suggesting that it's for a different audience, allowing consumers of the budget model to save face so to speak (I don't need it because I'm not a professional).

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

#832

Post by mruts »

agumonkey wrote: post #823
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #731

Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos a…

You can almost generalize to computers. It's still crazy the pace of pocket hardware has gone through. But these machines have more oomph than a pixar workstation in the 90s, the vast majority of the users will never even need 50% of that.

Unfortunately we all need the performance due to the unbelievable bloat of the web. And even with my iPhone X a lot of sites are still laggy and unpleasant to use. The state of the web is honestly really sad and makes me feel bad about our entire profession.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

#833

Post by tiborsaas »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #731

Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos a…

> Smartphone hardware is done.

I'm as sure as I agree with this statement that this can be a historic comment about smartphones until the next breakthrough happens :)

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

#834

Post by movedx »

qplex wrote: post #748
movedx wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All that being said, I personally have never bought from Apple, and think the $150 upgrade cost is ridiculous (not to mention the $300 jump from the XR, which is still $300 more than I paid for my Pixel)! So I could say the "Pro" marketing isn't working on me! But overall, they aren't hurting for customers. I love it when people complain about the prices Apple charge, especially given the experiences I've had with…

>a premium reseller replaced the battery in 45 minutes for free. I bought the phone in Australia. Try that with your Pixel... Actually on a (Samsung) Galaxy 5 you could've just popped open the back of the phone and replaced the battery yourself in a few seconds.

At a cost to you.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

#835

Post by movedx »

spookware wrote: post #546
movedx wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All that being said, I personally have never bought from Apple, and think the $150 upgrade cost is ridiculous (not to mention the $300 jump from the XR, which is still $300 more than I paid for my Pixel)! So I could say the "Pro" marketing isn't working on me! But overall, they aren't hurting for customers. I love it when people complain about the prices Apple charge, especially given the experiences I've had with…

So are you saying you got a new phone and battery for free?

I am saying that, because it happened. I'm OK with you not believing me, because it'll still be the truth at the end of the day.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

#836

Post by igorv »

mrtksn wrote: post #809
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #793

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He took different pictures of same scene under same settings from about half dozen flagship phones, shared the picture on different social networks and asked people to vote. This test for real-life camera usage is as objective as it can get. Most people shoot pictures to put on social networks, not to submit for documentary film awards.

>This test for real-life camera usage is as objective as it can get Not at all, most people do not take different pictures of the same scene under the same settings from about half a dozen flagship phones, post it on Instagram and ask which one is better. In fact, this is the only time I've seen such usage. In practice, people use a single phone to capture moments that do not come back and even if the scene is repeat…

The Pocophone was a huge hit though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiaomi_Pocophone_F1#Sales

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by movedx »

neogodless wrote: post #598
movedx wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All that being said, I personally have never bought from Apple, and think the $150 upgrade cost is ridiculous (not to mention the $300 jump from the XR, which is still $300 more than I paid for my Pixel)! So I could say the "Pro" marketing isn't working on me! But overall, they aren't hurting for customers. I love it when people complain about the prices Apple charge, especially given the experiences I've had with…

So, you have very expensive insurance? As it turns out, I've never destroyed any of my own phones, so I saved $300 every two years since I started buying smart phones 12 years ago. So $1800. If my phone gets submerged and Google won't replace it, I guess I'll have to buy another phone with my $1800 budget! Also, when I got my Pixel 3, the back had some waves in the paint. It literally did not matter at all, because I…

> So, you have very expensive insurance?

Expensive compared to what, exactly? Car insurance, which doesn't have a world wide chain of stores you can walk into when your car is smashed up? House insurance, which also does not afford you the luxury of world wide stores with commission free staff to assist you when your house burns down?

Most "insurance", if you want to call it that, doesn't offer you the same level of experience, so in what way is it expensive?

My house insurance doesn't teach me how a boiler works so I can use it correctly, or my dish washer, TV, or anything else about the property I own. Apple DO run classes for learning to do just about anything on your iPhone, iPad, Mac, etc. I'd have to only attend one, perhaps two, of those classes for the staff member's time to be worth more than what I paid for my "insurance".

So what are you comparing it to that makes it expensive?

> As it turns out, I've never destroyed any of my own phones

Which of course means no else does, neither.

> shrug This isn't a competition.

Then why did you argue price as a competitive factor in your purchasing decision? That's literally a competition.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

#838

Post by agumonkey »

mruts wrote: post #832
agumonkey wrote: post #823

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can almost generalize to computers. It's still crazy the pace of pocket hardware has gone through. But these machines have more oomph than a pixar workstation in the 90s, the vast majority of the users will never even need 50% of that.

Unfortunately we all need the performance due to the unbelievable bloat of the web. And even with my iPhone X a lot of sites are still laggy and unpleasant to use. The state of the web is honestly really sad and makes me feel bad about our entire profession.

I would be so pissed if an iPhone X would lag on the web. I'm actually pissed right now just reading about it. BRUH

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

#839

Post by saiya-jin »

mrtksn wrote: post #809
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #793

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He took different pictures of same scene under same settings from about half dozen flagship phones, shared the picture on different social networks and asked people to vote. This test for real-life camera usage is as objective as it can get. Most people shoot pictures to put on social networks, not to submit for documentary film awards.

>This test for real-life camera usage is as objective as it can get Not at all, most people do not take different pictures of the same scene under the same settings from about half a dozen flagship phones, post it on Instagram and ask which one is better. In fact, this is the only time I've seen such usage. In practice, people use a single phone to capture moments that do not come back and even if the scene is repeat…

Most people don't edit photos. And to be honest those people posing for 5 minutes to get anyway a crappy picture in poses around famous places are proper pain in the ass.

If you want perfection, get a proper camera and more importantly learn how to shoot with it

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

#840

Post by gambiting »

Tepix wrote: post #784
gambiting wrote: post #766

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest issue I have with buying a new phone is getting fewer features(!!!). I have a OnePlus 5T and that's the last OnePlus to have a headphone jack. There's nothing that I can "upgrade" to without losing that feature(from OnePlus). And the performance of the 5T is more than enough, so there's literally no reason to upgrade.

Why not just use a small, cheap headphone adapter (or several)?

Because my use case for headphones very frequently coincides with the times the phone is charging - I cannot both charge and use the headphones at the same time with an adapter, unless there is some weird USB-C monstrosity that would enable this(without just implementing an internal sound card connected over USB).
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