iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max • Hacker News Board

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by nabla9 » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 8:55 AM UTC

I doubt that these are going to sell a lot, but they have their uses. In many jobs you just buy the phone that takes best presentable pictures and videos without effort and money is not an issue. As much as possible automation and defaults is positive if it gives you good photos.

Real estate agent, free lance journalist, some kind of surveyors, assessors, construction, landscapers, interior designers, repair and maintenance. Either you remember to carry a small camera everywhere in job or you buy a phone. $1000 is not much if you use it for work every day.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by lazyjones » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 8:59 AM UTC

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #778

dngray wrote: post #772

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; I am excited about the possibility of graphene based batteries. https://www.graphene-info.com/graphene-batteries and https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-develops-battery-mat... Which could be as early as 2020-2021 if the leaks are correct http…

Graphene battery, foldable display, 5G network, >1TB internal storage, Fingerprint reader at any point on the screen could all kickoff new generational cycle. But, it will happen in increments and for all the above features to be available in one smartphone which is affordable, will take another 3-4 years and hence my OP comment that current generation is done. Edit: 1TB

> Graphene battery, foldable display, 5G network, >1TB internal storage, Fingerprint reader at any point on the screen could all kickoff new generational cycle.

These are all nice, but I'd rather have thin AR glasses powered by the phone's CPU/GPU at some point. Might fix the smombie infestation, too.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by avl999 » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 9:00 AM UTC

noneckbeard wrote: post #785

Does everyone here also drive a base model Honda Civic because “car hardware is done”? This is a luxury product and people upgrade because it’s fun and feels great to have the fastest phone and fanciest camera. It’s not that big a deal, and it’s definitely not a ripoff.

> fastest phone

Are folks running ML training algorithms on their phones? Why does one need the "fastest phone"? How many apps are there for which how fast your phone is even matters? I am not saying people shouldn't buy these phones but the pricing on these things is absolutely insane, it seems people are basically paying an Apple tax on these devices. Even high end devices from other manufacturers are not priced this crazy.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by joepour » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 9:02 AM UTC

noneckbeard wrote: post #785

Does everyone here also drive a base model Honda Civic because “car hardware is done”? This is a luxury product and people upgrade because it’s fun and feels great to have the fastest phone and fanciest camera. It’s not that big a deal, and it’s definitely not a ripoff.

This is a great point. It’s a premium product that people will buy simply because they like nice things.

I’ll buy one because I like buying new/nice things and the fact that for $1200 I’ll get a lot of value out of it, due to how much I use my phone is an added bonus.

This is definitely not a compelling upgrade for many people.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by otikik » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 9:05 AM UTC

jimbokun wrote: post #230

neogodless wrote: post #170

It's been clear for quite some time that terms like "Extreme", "Pro" and "Max" are marketing terms. They are not accurate classifications of how they will be used. If people feel strongly enough that the name is not accurate, they will have to buy a competing product that fulfills their needs at the price they are willing to pay. I suppose what would be interesting, but highly proprietary, would be Apple's marketing…

"Pro" has been pretty useful, I think, as a marker in Apple's other product lines. "MacBook Pro" and "iPad Pro" are the ones you buy if you need it for work, because the increased price will pay for itself with increased productivity. But buy the "Air" or basic versions if you are primarily using it for more basic tasks and media consumption. Not sure the "Pro" distinction will hold up for iPhone, though. I guess it…

I get that's the marketing intent, but the last iteration of MacBook Pros (with the gimmicky taskbar, the fail-prone keyboard, and glued items) has failed on that regard, at least for me. I had to replace the keyboard on mine, and it took Apple 10 days to do it. How is that "pro"?

Twice during this summer, I was not able to share my screen with coworkers using Zoom because my MacBook pro would overheat and throttle the processors. It might be that there's some dust inside the fan (I have a cat) but I am not able to open and clean it up. How is that "Pro"?

Our servers are all linux based and virtualization in mac is spotty (especially if you want to share a Docker-based setup via Zoom on a mildly hot day).

I strongly doubt I will go back to Mac when the time comes for renewing. I really do need to get stuff done, and this machine has gotten in my way too many times.

The finger reader thingie is nice, though.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by master-litty » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 9:07 AM UTC

oldboyFX wrote: post #789

Tepix wrote: post #782

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years Agreed. Even a Xiaomi Mi A2 with Android One for 130-150€ is almost on par with these high end phones that cost eight times as much: It's fast enough. It has a gorgeous display. It has a decent camera and it has up-to-date software. In these times of diminishing returns it's amazing that Apple…

I doubt many people are buying iPhones for extra privacy.

I am, but I definitely agree many people don't consider privacy in that choice.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by Abishek_Muthian » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 9:08 AM UTC

lazyjones wrote: post #802

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #778

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Graphene battery, foldable display, 5G network, >1TB internal storage, Fingerprint reader at any point on the screen could all kickoff new generational cycle. But, it will happen in increments and for all the above features to be available in one smartphone which is affordable, will take another 3-4 years and hence my OP comment that current generation is done. Edit: 1TB

> Graphene battery, foldable display, 5G network, >1TB internal storage, Fingerprint reader at any point on the screen could all kickoff new generational cycle. These are all nice, but I'd rather have thin AR glasses powered by the phone's CPU/GPU at some point. Might fix the smombie infestation, too.

I would love one, just for our(brain) memory or lack of thereof; especially to remember faces of people we meet once, when we meet again after several years and they ask do you remember me? The smart AR glasses should give us the name via bone conduction!

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by marble-drink » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 9:13 AM UTC

noneckbeard wrote: post #785

Does everyone here also drive a base model Honda Civic because “car hardware is done”? This is a luxury product and people upgrade because it’s fun and feels great to have the fastest phone and fanciest camera. It’s not that big a deal, and it’s definitely not a ripoff.

Personally I drive the top-spec Civic of 15 years ago. I would never own a current luxury item because I don't think it's worth spending my entire life working for a product that will become normal a couple of weeks after I buy it.

Humans are only sensitive to change. A positive change feels good. No change feels normal. A negative change feels awful. A sensible person would try to fill their life with positive change.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by mrtksn » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 9:21 AM UTC

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #793

mrtksn wrote: post #779

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MKBHD made a blind test last year and low-cost smartphone Mi Pocophone which scored pathetic camera performance in individual reviews came out top in the blind test. This simply means that it was a crappy test. As far as I remember, people choose a colour profile that was much more punchy. Cameras are much, much more than a colour profile. These tech reviewers are fun to watch but I wouldn't base my opinions solely…

He took different pictures of same scene under same settings from about half dozen flagship phones, shared the picture on different social networks and asked people to vote. This test for real-life camera usage is as objective as it can get. Most people shoot pictures to put on social networks, not to submit for documentary film awards.

>This test for real-life camera usage is as objective as it can get

Not at all, most people do not take different pictures of the same scene under the same settings from about half a dozen flagship phones, post it on Instagram and ask which one is better. In fact, this is the only time I've seen such usage.

In practice, people use a single phone to capture moments that do not come back and even if the scene is repeatable people prefer to succeed on the first take, therefore they will take photos until they get one that is good enough and editable. Most people don't even know how the photo will look like until they try a few edits. It is an intuitive process that involves multiple trials and misses.

So the best camera is the one that gives you the photo that is easiest to edit to achieve the picture you desire. #nofilter is a special case, a niche and If you ask me, it's not a nofilter just because the device applied a filter by itself.

Anyway, if that test was correct the cheap and great photos phone would have been a viral hit. When people see a great photo, they do ask how you took it. That did not happen.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by mosselman » Wed, Sep 11, 2019, 9:22 AM UTC

avl999 wrote: post #798

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #731

Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos a…

> Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication). Yep. I have a BLU smartphone that I bought for $55 bucks off of Amazon. It literally d…

There aren't many alternatives when you consider that cheap phones are Big Brother devices for Google.