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Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by yellowapple »

burner420042 wrote: post #741
samantha-wiki wrote: post #723

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I agree strongly with this. I would ditch my iPhone in a heartbeat for an open source alternative.

I'm sure the enthusiasm is appreciated but Graphene is very different even from stock Android. It's not simple enough for mainstream, and UI is odd. I'm typing this on an iPhone and my pixel 10 graphene is just to my left. It's my favorite Android distro but I wouldn't daily it. I love how boring and quiet the OS is though. It doesn't try for engagement. Battery life remains very good. The distro is close to being wh…

> I'm sure the enthusiasm is appreciated but Graphene is very different even from stock Android.

I'm daily driving a Pixel 9a with GrapheneOS and I strongly disagree, at least from an ordinary usage perspective. Yes, you can make it very different (by not installing Google Play), but with the sandboxed Google Play it's exceedingly rare for me to notice any differences; it feels very close to any other stock-ish Android. The only big differences were RCS chats failing w/ T-Mobile (but that's been fixed) and some apps being mean about Play Integrity or whatever (but that's gonna be true of any custom ROM, even if it's entirely unmodified from AOSP).

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by fragmede »

ryukoposting wrote: post #815
padjo wrote: post #356

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Curve Pay refused to give me an account on my Murena FP6 and no local bank offers contactless without google pay, so I'm stuck using a bank card like a caveman.

> so I'm stuck using a bank card like a caveman. What is "caveman" about a payment method that doesn't need to have a charged battery?

Cloning a mag strip is trivial, cloning a tap-to-pay tag a bit more complicated.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by carlmr »

alpineman wrote: post #441
maxloh wrote: post #431

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I don’t think so. Motorola Mobility is owned by the Chinese Lenovo, making it an adversary-owned entity in the eyes of most Western governments. Even with a fully open-source OS and first-class MDM, the company would struggle to gain significant market share. The Hardware Root of Trust and the binary blobs would still be compiled by a firm that Western governments view as a fundamental supply-chain risk.

I never worked in a corporate that didn't use Lenovo

There are MacBook companies, but Lenovo is basically the only other alternative.

I've had Dell in the past, but haven't seen one in years.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by Aerbil313 »

al_borland wrote: post #717
jraph wrote: post #686

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That's not what I observe. Many non technical people have ethical concerns. This fantasy among the technical crowd here that the general public only cares about cheap and convenient, which is at best condescending, needs to die. Convincing oneself of this only takes meeting non technical people.

Every non-technical person I’ve talked to doesn’t seem to care. In many cases I think it’s because they don’t really understand or the threat is too abstract. For example, collecting information to display ads and manipulate an algorithm to influence how a person thinks, feels, and consumes, for fun and profit. Since they can’t see it, think they’re above it, and see stuff that makes them laugh, they just keep going.…

My experience is that you can't "convince" people out of Facebook, Instagram and Tiktok, because the platforms themselves convince people to use them. They always emit that background radiation of "You're missing out on VERY important stuff".

It's literally brainwashing by design. My dad is convinced everybody should use Facebook to be informed or they'll be "left behind". My peers are convinced you're socially a loser if you don't have Instagram. Privacy concerns are not even an afterthought.

And this brainwashing sits on top of the dopamine/reward center related neurochemical effects of these apps, which are very mild, much milder than any typical substance addictions for most people.

It took me aboout 3 months of abstinence of Reddit and HN for it to finally click that I didn't actually need them at any capacity in my life.

The blind spot is all too obvious for those with eyes to see. I can tell which app is a person's drug of choice within ~5 minutes of meeting them. Over time, these algorithm-driven apps even (subtly) change a person's personality.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by mastermage »

timedude wrote: post #123
wolvoleo wrote: post #81

Hmm the one thing I'm kinda missing with grapheneos is mobile payments. The banks here in Europe used to have their own nfc apps but in my country they've all moved to Google wallet :( or Samsung pay. I don't want Google monitoring my payments so I'm using Samsung now but I'd love to have something more open for this. I was kinda hoping the partner would be Samsung so they might collaborate on a payment system too. I…

If this partnership with motorolla becomes a success, samsung will follow as will the chinese.

If Samsung gets support for Graphene I would be a happy man.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by Arainach »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #820
Arainach wrote: post #813

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> This is obviously false. It's the sort of thing anyone can look up on the internet before buying one. It's not something that's quantifiable, and it's easily manipulable. The iPhone(tm) has a twelth-generation quantum superconducting wonderflonium chip that enables (pile of technobabble garbage) and "privacy". This Motorola thing has (pile of technobabble garbage) and "privacy". Consumers don't understand and they…

> It's not something that's quantifiable, and it's easily manipulable. The iPhone(tm) has a twelth-generation quantum superconducting wonderflonium chip that enables (pile of technobabble garbage) and "privacy". That's the marketing noise from the company itself. Then you go to Reddit or similar and ask technically competent people what they recommend. > Even the ones with technologically savvy friends don't want the…

>Microsoft was completely abandoned in the mobile market because they were so widely hated.

This was not a factor. Windows phone lost because they didn't have apps. They didn't have apps because they rewrote between Windows Mobile 6 and WP7, and rewrote between WP7 and WP8, and rewrote between between WP8.1 and WP10. That's a lot of work for developers and they didn't have enough users to justify developers rewriting their apps that many times. Combine that with some companies refusing to build apps at all (YouTube refused to write an app and sued to block Microsoft from writing their own YouTube client) and users didn't want to put up with the lack of apps either.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by yellowapple »

roysting wrote: post #41
anon5739483 wrote: post #9

GrapheneOS is finally decoupling itself from Google Pixel phones. This is great news. Motorola makes great hardware too. Looking forward to see what comes out of this.

> Motorola makes great hardware too Do they? I genuinely don’t know because I don’t think I have ever seen a Motorola smartphone in the wild and their heavy involvement with the police and surveillance state has my attention piqued a bit. I’m just saying GrapheneOS partnering with possibly the biggest police state surveillance solutions provider? What’s that all about?

I was pretty happy with the Moto G7 Plus I bought a few years back; bought it specifically on the basis of “my OnePlus 5T broke and I need a LineageOS-compatible phone immediately”, and it ended up fitting the bill perfectly. My only complaint was the smooth finish on the backplate, so it had a nasty tendency to slide off of any slightly-angled surface.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by mastermage »

icar wrote: post #110
wolvoleo wrote: post #81

Hmm the one thing I'm kinda missing with grapheneos is mobile payments. The banks here in Europe used to have their own nfc apps but in my country they've all moved to Google wallet :( or Samsung pay. I don't want Google monitoring my payments so I'm using Samsung now but I'd love to have something more open for this. I was kinda hoping the partner would be Samsung so they might collaborate on a payment system too. I…

Curve works on GrapheneOS. I use it weekly.

I remember Curve being acused of some fishy things happening but I cannot tell you anymre which it was. So I am carefull with Curve.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by mastermage »

amelius wrote: post #156

But where is the EU? They should be funding FOSS like they are funding science.

even the science funding isn't that great sadly. Someone realy needs to explain to the EU people how important an Independant Tech and Technology stack would be.
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