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How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by wiseowise »

bozleh2 wrote: post #771
unlikelytomato wrote: post #746

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say my concerns are far more in the range of downstream effects from the medication. Specifically, I am concerned with muscle retention. Concerns aside, it's a little hard of an argument to swallow having visited many other countries where these things are simply not an issue. How can it be argued that the cause is anything other than behavior when so many others are doing just fine? There is more to this sto…

> How can it be argued that the cause is anything other than behavior when so many others are doing just fine? Aren’t you are ignoring the way western society influences behavior? eg lack of walkability of suburbs, massive price difference between fresh and processed foods, constant advertising of junk food & alcohol.

How do people move around cities? They teleport?

Where there’s a will there’s a way.

> constant advertising of junk food & alcohol.

Nobody is forcing you to eat those.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by hilux »

DavidPiper wrote: post #798
hilux wrote: post #434

Living a healthy lifestyle, so that you won't need Ozempic, is possible - even surrounded by all the drugs and booze and carbs. I do it. Lots of people do it. The information is freely available, now more than ever. From all I've read, Ozempic isn't a silver bullet, and has many side effects. It just helps people stave off the inevitable for a while.

> The information is freely available, now more than ever. Given the progress of the threads here, do you have any recommendations for cutting through the noise and finding good scientific information on weight loss, healthy eating, lifestyle, etc? I agree with you that all the information is out there, but there seems to be an enormous amount of resistance in the threads here to threads to even simple things like: -…

I don't have a silver bullet of health advice. Your list looks good.

The only things I'd change (what works for ME) is to reduce fruit (sugar). But if I could eat fruit all the time, I would.

And I eat as much fat as I want, definitely not just lean protein. Food should taste good!

And I practice intermittent and (sometimes) extended fasting. Dr. Jason Fung is an excellent resource.

You have to find what works for you. But for the majority who are overweight and obese while also on multiple meds and maybe also in pain and also self-medicated on booze and weed ... well, IMHO that's not really "working."

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by hiAndrewQuinn »

dfxm12 wrote: post #170

Instead of a system that makes these drug available for purchase, I'd rather live in a system that promotes healthy food and active behavior. Unfortunately, I have to drive everywhere, work too many hours to have free time for recreation and have no idea which government subsidy is going to help big ag likely at the expense of my health. All things being equal, I'd prefer to spend less money on prescriptions and have…

But you already live in a system that promotes that, quite heavily. Healthy food and active behavior make you more physically attractive, which is in turn linked to better life outcomes along almost every metric you can care to think of.

There is, in fact, already an enormous, fully endogenous incentive to do those things. The fact many people are not keeping in shape (myself included) suggests the allure of food really is just that appealing.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by wiseowise »

mrshadowgoose wrote: post #604
unclad5968 wrote: post #585

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what ways is fitness not within reach for a large portion of the population?

Studies have repeatedly shown that lifestyle modification does not result in sustained weight loss for most. Not going to waste my time providing sources to remedy your ignorance. You are more than capable of doing this research yourself.

Oh well, back to my unhealthy lifestyle because study of some thousand something in one country said it’s impossible to change!

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by coffeebeqn »

refurb wrote: post #799
OptionOfT wrote: post #420

As someone who struggled with their weight his whole life, this medication is a god send. My wife and I cook every evening. We never eat food made in a factory. We buy raw products and spend a good amount of time every day cooking them. Every morning I wake up and go on a 5 mile hike. And still weight kept on coming on. Worse yet, I am on ADHD medication, which are amphetamines and actually make you lose weight. Yet.…

> And you know what it is? It's volume. I eat too much. 100% this. I lived in Asia for a few years and obesity is rare (though increasing for youth). It's not like they get more exercise (most people don't) or eat healthy (it's mostly carbs), but 100% portion sizes. I see people who work manual labor jobs eat lunch that is a bowl of noddles, a few thin slices of chicken or pork, and a few veggies. I highly doubt it e…

> It's probably half the portion size you'd get in the US.

A lot of the sides in your average US restaurant is easily 1000kcal on its own

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by switch007 »

Stupid question but I wonder if the side-effects are a partial contributor to its success: feeling nauseous, upset stomachs, bloating, acid reflux etc? And are there similar, cheaper supplements/drugs that can induce nausea etc?

I know my appetite falls off a cliff if I'm nauseous/have an upset stomach/suffering from reflux.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by ornornor »

FWIW, junk food makers are thinking up new ways to stay relevant and still sell a modified version of their junk foods adapted to people on GLP-1 medicine… Nestle, Mondelez, etc are all scrambling to do so. Here is an article (in French) on the matter: https://www.letemps.ch/economie/ozempic-wegovy-mounjaro-nest...

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by sexy_seedbox »

squidgedcricket wrote: post #759
OptionOfT wrote: post #420

As someone who struggled with their weight his whole life, this medication is a god send. My wife and I cook every evening. We never eat food made in a factory. We buy raw products and spend a good amount of time every day cooking them. Every morning I wake up and go on a 5 mile hike. And still weight kept on coming on. Worse yet, I am on ADHD medication, which are amphetamines and actually make you lose weight. Yet.…

Would you mind sharing what your diet was like as a child? I wonder if there's a connection between diet during development and adult processing of and cravings for food. Maybe eating candy for breakfast (cookiecrisp!) every day in elementary school messed a bunch of us up.

Not OP, but I ate sooo much Kellogg's and General Mill's sugary products in high school for breakfast (pop tarts, eggo waffles, all the disgusting cereals you can name...), but I took Centrum daily and played a ton of basketball after school. Almost 1 can of coke a day after school. No heath problems as an adult. But of course, genetics come into play as well, no overweight parents or relatives.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by biztos »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #823
dfxm12 wrote: post #170

Instead of a system that makes these drug available for purchase, I'd rather live in a system that promotes healthy food and active behavior. Unfortunately, I have to drive everywhere, work too many hours to have free time for recreation and have no idea which government subsidy is going to help big ag likely at the expense of my health. All things being equal, I'd prefer to spend less money on prescriptions and have…

But you already live in a system that promotes that, quite heavily. Healthy food and active behavior make you more physically attractive, which is in turn linked to better life outcomes along almost every metric you can care to think of. There is, in fact, already an enormous, fully endogenous incentive to do those things. The fact many people are not keeping in shape (myself included) suggests the allure of food rea…

I’m a standard-issue stress eater. I also like to work out.

When I’m really feeling the stress, even though I will tell myself at that time to just hang on and hit the gym later, the food is that much more of an instant fix that it wins out more often than not.

I’m sure that’s not just the actual food itself, but also the easy availability of it, and probably subliminal cultural factors such as advertising. But partly, yeah, it’s that my ancestors evolved to love eating when they had food, and their gift to me is that same desire in a world of endless plenty.

Re: How long til we're all on Ozempic?

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Post by wiseowise »

OptionOfT wrote: post #420

As someone who struggled with their weight his whole life, this medication is a god send. My wife and I cook every evening. We never eat food made in a factory. We buy raw products and spend a good amount of time every day cooking them. Every morning I wake up and go on a 5 mile hike. And still weight kept on coming on. Worse yet, I am on ADHD medication, which are amphetamines and actually make you lose weight. Yet.…

> Why do we find it acceptable to help people who struggle with alcohol abuse, or nicotine addiction, or opioid addiction, but not to help people who struggle with food abuse?

For the same reason why skinny person taking steroids is frowned upon - it is perceived as a shortcut.

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