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Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by JetAlone »

kook_throwaway wrote: post #143
ragingrobot wrote: post #6

Without getting into the whole vaccine thing... People need to start protesting with their wallets. People need to talk less and act more. I work in NYC, in an "essential" service. In the beginning myself and other workers were threatened with discipline if we did not show up for work. We were told to go straight home, and stay inside, and do as little as necessary otherwise. Now, this is easy for me, as I am single…

It's not just you. I stopped using amazon and other big corps completely when they locked us down.

Yeah I've decided to boycott Amazon too.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

A couple of tidbits no one seems to be touching on

- what will this do to the long term economy of the localities that choose to mandate this, if later the rest of the country does not go along? Will this see a rise of restaurant soeakeasies?

- do people not wonder about the timing of it all, when the powerful opposition to the mayor of nyc (cuomo) is politically weakened by a sex scandal, and absorbs all the front page news in the process, effectively innoculating a mayor that is hated, among all demographic groups in nyc?

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by magicalist »

makomk wrote: post #422
bart_spoon wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So your hang up is the FDA giving full approval? Because recent reports indicate that will likely be happening for the Pfizer vaccine next month. Somehow I think there will be a major shifting of goalposts by the anti-vax camp around that time.

Recent reports indicate that the reason it's getting FDA approval so soon is not because of any specific scientific evidence or the standard FDA process, but instead it's being approved early as a deliberate political tactic to undermine this argument used by people who don't trust the vaccines: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/04/fda-approval-pfizer... I don't think it's the "anti-vax camp" who's behind the maj…

> Recent reports indicate that the reason it's getting FDA approval so soon is not because of any specific scientific evidence or the standard FDA process, but instead it's being approved early as a deliberate political tactic to undermine this argument used by people who don't trust the vaccines:

> https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/04/fda-approval-pfizer...

That is not information, explicit or implicit, that is in that article.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by tekromancr »

timr wrote: post #659
Barrin92 wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you are fully vaccinated, you are at essentially no risk of serious illness from SARS-CoV2. Terrible first order logic. The threat from the virus is not only immediate risk to the individual, it is also further transmissions increasing the risk of creating new breakthrough variants. Every infected person is a gamble that risks nullifying the effectiveness of vaccines, so the goal must be to bring down infections…

> we should have. Tolerating disease spread and threats to vulnerable populations when vaccines are available that are practically risk-free (or the risk being magnitudes smaller than the payoff) is ridiculous. Maybe this finally shakes people awake and puts public health and safety to the top of the agenda rather than people throwing tantrums like children about government incursion. You can certainly go down this p…

That's a bit dramatic, no? The proposal is wear masks and get a needle in your sholder, we aren't putting people in concentration camps here.

I see it as on par with indoor smoking bans and seatbelts. You are giving up a relatively small degree of freedom in order to stop a highly contagious, highly mutable virus; and yes, to protect people who aren't you.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by Supermancho »

_AzMoo wrote: post #770
timr wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am pro-vaccine (and fully vaccinated), but I don't support this policy at all. I don't believe this will have much of a net effect on vaccination rate, I believe it will disproportionately negatively impact poor and minority populations in NYC who already have a bad/mistrustful relationship with health care and government, and it is obviously a huge new governmental intrusion into our daily lives. It might well lea…

> if you are fully vaccinated, you are at essentially no risk of serious illness from SARS-CoV2. And literally anyone who wants a vaccine can get one. Those who choose not to get vaccinated are making a risk calculation; they are making a choice. There are immuno-compromised people who can't get the vaccine for health reasons. By accepting a lack of herd immunity you are throwing those people under the bus. If you ar…

> By accepting a lack of herd immunity

That's the reality. This is endemic and is grouped with the collection of other infections that are going to be around a lot longer than HN (eg latent Tuberculosis infections in around 20% of the global pop).

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by Supermancho »

alecst wrote: post #211
cm2187 wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the only reasons people wouldn't want to take the vaccine. For instance lots of people already had covid (particularly in NYC), and developed a natural immunity, which from the low reinfection rate, seems to be rock solid. It doesn't make a lot of sense to require that population to take a vaccine. As for the vaccine being more or less dangerous than the virus, I think for any population over 40 or in poor…

I agree that you can make the case that proof of antibodies should be treated like proof of vaccination. I can't see the harm in that and think it's a point worth bringing up.

I am more open to this than getting a vaccine, as my wife and I were infected before the COVID mania had set in (doctors couldn't tell us what it was). If I get a vaccine with a variant, how well will I fare as I'm in stage 3 heart failure? Check me for antibodies. That seems fair.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by dead-snake »

grllierg wrote: post #255
mrfusion wrote: post #230

A bit off topic but you know what’s really jarring for me? For the past ten years I’ve agreed with the majority on hacker news on almost every issue. Software patents, voting rights, who knows what else. Everyone seemed to just find the right answer and it made sense. Then all of a sudden I’m in tiny minority because I believe people should be able to choose what they put in their own bodies. It really feels like a t…

This is real. There has been a total invasion of commies to HN over the past decade. I don't know if it's the schools to blame or what but something has definitely flipped. Hackers, as a demographic used to be hard-core libertarian (not necessarily a party member).

This is the truth. People here are overwhelmingly advocating what I think is probably the most dangerous argument I've ever seen seriously advanced, that some medical procedures are not eligible to be decided by the individual, because they're matters of public health.

If we go down that road, what government injection proffered in the name of public health could ever be refused? It's not as if you won't still be labelled a selfish anti-science anti-vaxxer if you refuse, say, the tenth injection rather than the first one.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by dead-snake »

anigbrowl wrote: post #755
grllierg wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is real. There has been a total invasion of commies to HN over the past decade. I don't know if it's the schools to blame or what but something has definitely flipped. Hackers, as a demographic used to be hard-core libertarian (not necessarily a party member).

You've been here a decade but your account was created today and you've not read the guidelines? A little hard to credit.

No big explanation is needed there -- many posters including myself get shadowbanned within hours of account creation, for nothing more than having the wrong opinion.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by gjs278 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #553
timr wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am pro-vaccine (and fully vaccinated), but I don't support this policy at all. I don't believe this will have much of a net effect on vaccination rate, I believe it will disproportionately negatively impact poor and minority populations in NYC who already have a bad/mistrustful relationship with health care and government, and it is obviously a huge new governmental intrusion into our daily lives. It might well lea…

> if you are fully vaccinated, you are at essentially no risk of serious illness from SARS-CoV2. Terrible first order logic. The threat from the virus is not only immediate risk to the individual, it is also further transmissions increasing the risk of creating new breakthrough variants. Every infected person is a gamble that risks nullifying the effectiveness of vaccines, so the goal must be to bring down infections…

you’re a dumbass. all the “mutations” are occurring in other countries that won’t be vaccinated for a long time. mine are traced to america. stop posting on covid, you don’t know anything.
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