Oh well, I should have bought 2x 512GB RAM MacStudios, not just one :(
Unironically curious about the performance of this model on unified VRAM machines.
Probably usable for chat sessions, unusably slow for agentic coding.
DeepSeek v4
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#802I just did some quick testing on my own benchmark that tests LLMs as customer support chatbots, and found out that deepseek-v4-flash (scored 90.2%) was better than qwen3.5-27b (89%) and qwen3.5-35b-a3b (89.1%) and roughly equal to gemini-3-flash-preview (90.5%), but deepseek-v4-flash had the lowest cost of all of them by far. Half the cost of gemini-3-flash and an order of magnitude less cost than the qwen models. Ha…
How can a medium-sized model like Deepseek-V4-Flash be cheaper than a much smaller models like Qwen3.5-35B-A3B. It's five times bigger in both total and active parameters!
I don’t know for sure, but I believe those larger models must be run on nVidia hardware (CUDA), while Deepseek-V4-* can be run on Huawei chips. My assumption is that there is less demand pressure on non-nVidia chips.
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#803The incredible arrogance and hybris of the American initiated tech war - it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. The US-China contest aside - it is in the application layer llms will show their value. There the field, with llm commoditization and no clear monopolies, is wide open. There was a point in time where it looked like llms would the domain of a single well guarded monopoly - that would have…
>- it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. I feel uneasy over China dominance as much as the US. I trust US more still as Europe has a post WW2 relationship. I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake. China is a totilitarian dictatorship. This is a fact. Look into Mistral AI too :…
Opening of the internet WAS a mistake. During times when whole countries (you know which ones) get geoblocked, the internet (especially online gaming) gets a lot better.
Re: DeepSeek v4
#804Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…
> Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips.
That is a huge claim to make with no evidence.
I researched what you said, and I have found no statement to that effect in their paper[0], on huggingface[1], twitter[2], WeChat[3], or in their news release[4].
They only mention as a footnote in only the Chinese version of their news release that they plan to reduce inference costs with the Ascend 950 supernode when it releases[5]. The only mention of Huawei in their paper is that they validated a technique to lower interconnect bandwidth on Ascend NPUs and Nvidia GPUs[6].
[0] https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4-Pro/blob/main...
[1] https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4-Pro
[2] https://xcancel.com/deepseek_ai/status/2047516922263285776
[3] https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/8bxXqS2R8Fx5-1TLDBiEDg
[4] https://api-docs.deepseek.com/news/news260424
[5] https://api-docs.deepseek.com/zh-cn/img/v4-price.png
[6] Page 16
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#805Earlier quoted context omitted.
>- it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. I feel uneasy over China dominance as much as the US. I trust US more still as Europe has a post WW2 relationship. I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake. China is a totilitarian dictatorship. This is a fact. Look into Mistral AI too :…
There is no morality at Country level. The talk about values, morality, just world is only a lip service and pretty much every smart person knows this. If you still want to hold a country for moral standards, our own dear USA's standards would be pathetically low. One example - we force and demand every other country to use USD as the reserve currency. If anyone considers the alternative, we follow the usual routines…
> If two countries in some remote corner of world want to exchange goods and transact in their own local currency, what legal rights does the USA have to stop it and force them to use USD?
China and Russia trade in yuan and rubles. India and Russia do oil deals in rupees. China and Brazil trade in yuan. The US hasn't bombed any of them.
Re: DeepSeek v4
#806Seriously, why can't huge companies like OpenAI and Google produce documentation that is half this good?? https://api-docs.deepseek.com/guides/thinking_mode No BS, just a concise description of exactly what I need to write my own agent.
I spent only two minutes reading their documentation and it’s clear no one did any proofreading and it’s full of mistakes made by non-native speakers. Example: the second sentence on the first page says “softwares” but “software” is a mass noun that cannot be pluralized. Example: the third page about tokens has some zipped code to “calculate the token usage for your intput/output” and obviously “intput” should be “in…
No one cares about this kind of stuff. 99% of the devs are not English native speakers, what do you expect ? It works and we all can understand it
Re: DeepSeek v4
#807Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…
Jensen Huang said this in his recent interview - that China has the best/most engineers, it has the chip making ability, it's a good thing they wanna build on a Nvidia stack - but if you push them they will build on an all Chinese stack - but the interviewer was being a numb head who kept parroting the propaganda of Western tech supremacy
They would have moved to their own stack regardless. They've got the people and resources for it, and they've witnessed the fallout of globalization and experienced dependency on semi-hostile political powers enough to know that it's the smart move.
It's also more or less the same move that they've been using pretty much since the WTO entry: take on foreign manufacturing, copy the products, sell knockoffs as their own, build new products on top of the that knowledge.
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#808Quite jarring to see how many people think the Chinese authoritarian regime, and the tech that it allows to be created in that country, are going to be "safer" or whatever than US tech. It's trendy to say the US govt is now authorization, but that's just pure naïve groupthink.
It's just the anti-Americanism that has typified the Euroleft for decades. You can find people complaining about it back in the 1800s. As can be seen by how much American product Europe consumes it's not actually an influential mode of thought, just a form of ingroup signalling, so it can largely be ignored.
Re: DeepSeek v4
#809Earlier quoted context omitted.
>- it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. I feel uneasy over China dominance as much as the US. I trust US more still as Europe has a post WW2 relationship. I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake. China is a totilitarian dictatorship. This is a fact. Look into Mistral AI too :…
China never threatened this: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again.". Also China never announced that it was going to attack Europe. I trust them much more compared to a malignant narcissist that doesn't care if the whole world burns now that he doesn't have much left to live.
Xi Jinping really doesn't have to do anything but sit back and let Trump make a pro-China argument for him. It's like that "Do Nothing, win" meme:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/352/212/95b...
Re: DeepSeek v4
#810Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…
The funniest thing is how Americans have been fooled with this stuff. This version of AI is mostly taking a public paper from 2017, investing in GPUs, and feeding it as much data as possible. So with a few computer scientists, no respect for intellectual property, and tons of money to burn, you have all the ingredients to create this technology. Sam Altman and friends did it, as did the Chinese. The difference is tha…
>mostly taking a public paper from 2017
I love the implication that this paper just dropped out of thin air and not decades of private AI research funded by a US company.
>The Chinese made it public, among other things to show how fragile this is as a business
The Chinese distill US models, that's why they keep trailing close but never exceeding. It's easy to make things public when you didn't take on any of the cost of developing the technology. Stealing US IP and selling cheap copies has been China's MO for decades now.