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Post by mzs »

wrs wrote: post #241
sudhirj wrote: post #58

We have this kind of censorship in India as well, even the in weirdly innocous places. In James Bond movies, and I think Gone Girl as well, scenes were by zooming into character's faces or just straight cuts. This is probably the only reason I maintain a US iTunes accounts (used to have to buy gift cards from sketchy sites online to keep this going, but I recently discovered that my Indian Amex card works fine with a…

There is a home version of this called ClearPlay that auto-redacts movies and TV. It actually started with DVD players (!) but now does streaming. Ref: https://amazon.clearplay.com/

I had a VCR with something like this. It would scan the CCs for bad words and then mute the audio and filter the caption. You could even edit the lists. And it was hilarious! Often the caption was slightly delayed relative to the audio so you would get a stream of swearing and then the rest of the dialog was removed :)

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Post by balentio »

dilfish wrote: post #551
balentio wrote: post #106

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If we treat what rural Chinese people are doing nowadays as standard operation, the westerners are just barbarians. Don't waste time on these non sense, lets decide which one is "STANDARD"

Perhaps I wasn't clear, so let me be quite transparent: China has terrible human rights issues. One of those issues is eating babies which they SAY is just in rural areas, but if you happen to let loose a bio weapon on the world, I tend to be a little skeptical of your main story lines.

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Post by carapace »

Banana699 wrote: post #584
jurassic wrote: post #535

As an LGBTQ person, this makes me very sad. Just look at fandom twitter and you will see how much even a small amount of representation on screen means to people like me. I wish everybody could experience that.

Why does it matter to you that your sexuality is depicted on screen? Sounds like a bizarre thing to worry about. And US studios already has you covered for centuries worth of "representation" heavy film and TV, why is the Chinese allowing them important?

Your question is the answer to itself.

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Post by yamazakiwi »

kevinmchugh wrote: post #596
cercatrova wrote: post #453

The solution to this is, of course, piracy. I'm glad people like those on /r/DataHoarder preserve media in their complete forms so I don't have to watch them censored. A recent example is Community which has an episode of a character dressing as a dark elf, and the joke is that another character assumes it's blackface, even though it's not. Well, networks and streaming services now removed it and unless you have the…

Advanced Dungeons and Dragons is currently available on Prime Video. I don't know that they edited it there.

I watched the whole series through a month ago and I didn't know this episode existed until someone told me it was on prime. It is unedited!

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

jrumbut wrote: post #303
joshstrange wrote: post #139

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That was my first thought as well. Those skips would drive me crazy and would send me searching for the "raw" episodes. Wanting to know what was said would only be a part of the issue, the other would be how jarring it is and how you never know if it was a censored clip or if the media "skipped".

It's apparent because you're used to the rhythm of English speech and the forms of American sitcoms. I'm not sure if I would notice a Chinese show was censored.

A lot of the examples cut off laughter, surely you'd notice that regardless of language?

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Post by callalex »

coryfklein wrote: post #307
dj_gitmo wrote: post #289

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This reminds me of Aereo. They provided each user with their own individual TV antenna, DVR and streaming server. Their case went to the Supreme Court but they ultimately lost. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aereo

It was exactly like Aereo. Their Supreme Court battle set the precedent that made the VidAngel battle a no-contest. Which makes me wonder how VidAngel ever thought they could get away with that business model.

>“ Which makes me wonder how VidAngel ever thought they could get away with that business model.”

Doing a thing, but with Jesus branding, can get you very far in America beyond all logic. See also: nonprofits participating in politics, nonprofits doing public performances without proper licensing, nonprofits advertising to children in public schools, etc.

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Post by still_grokking »

archi42 wrote: post #675
still_grokking wrote: post #414

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Never heard of this movie but it says clearly on the German Wikipedia page: > In Deutschland wurde der Film zunächst in einer stark gekürzten Fassung gezeigt, in der sämtliche Bezüge auf den Nationalsozialismus fehlten und der Film mit der Hochzeit Marias endet und nicht – wie in der Originalfassung – mit der Flucht der Trapp-Familie aus Österreich. [eng]: > In Germany, the film was initially shown in a heavily edite…

Next sentence: Schließlich erwirkte das amerikanische Produktionsstudio jedoch, dass dieser dritte Akt des Films auch in der deutschen Fassung gezeigt wird. Translation: Eventually, however, the American production studio managed to ensure that this third act of the film was also shown in the German version. Wikipedia isn't clear on the process or the timeline (and there is no source given), but I read it like this w…

> but I read it like this was "fixed" during the initial cinematic run.

> and I presume it was shown in cinemas uncut after at most a month.

You're not form Germany, right?

Changing the mind of a public authority is in any case a very long process as a German authority (and especially the board of censors!) will never admit it did something wrong. Usually you need to go through all instances. Things like that can take decades.

I'm to lazy to research this case here as it's not really important but I'm quite sure it took at least a few years before they reverted any censoring decisions.

"Schließlich erwirkte" point in that direction actually. "Schließlich" would be better translated as "lastly" or "finally"—which means "after a long fight" most of the time.

Also the German Wikipedia is sneaky. You need to weight every word! It says "the last part was also shown in Germany". That does not mean they restored the Nazi references. I'm quite sure they didn't (at least fully) as most Nazi stuff is banned. They're more liberal with that in "art settings" just the last 20 years or so. Before that even small references have been heavily censored.

It took for example decades to unban Wolfenstein 3D in Germany. You know, that game where you kill Nazis. But because the Nazis in that game use Nazi symbols it was verboten for a very very long time. (They didn't accept that video game are art, so there were no exceptions like for example movies; that's something that changed just lately).

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Post by still_grokking »

danjoredd wrote: post #788
still_grokking wrote: post #409

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> Germany is almost as bad, I agree, […] I hope we didn't reach Chines levels by now, and that there is still hope. But yes, we're working hard on that and "like" to reach their level soonish. Our variant of the Ministry of Truth gets shaped out a little more with every year. Since the so called "Netzwerkdurchsuchungsgesetz"¹ we've got really close I guess. But there's already more coming: "Chatkontrolle"²… > […] but…

Yes, games were censored, but they stayed the same for the rest of the world. Its a simple value change to make the blood green, so it was easy to pull off. For companies vying to get into China, they have to change the whole product for nearly everyone to get accepted, or have massive amounts of that product censored, and made to be a lesser product as a result. For those companies, why would you risk not only being…

I get your point (and there is something to it).

But still there are "international" versions of content and some "special versions" for some countries—and not an ultimately "pre-censored" version that would "please everybody" (or better said, all boards of censors at once regardless country).

For US audience you need for example to censor nipples. In Germany we make jokes about that. But here a swastika is a very big problem, US people would not mind OTOH. Making a Mohamed joke will get you banned elsewhere; and so forth.

So I don't really see an acute danger of "pre-censoring".

The actual scandal is that the content industry just obeys all that madness. Of course, because they're only interested in the money. The actual messages are completely irrelevant and get changed fundamentally at a whim without remorse. That's the part that makes me think.

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Post by mbg721 »

mnsc wrote: post #777
mbg721 wrote: post #767

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There are jokes that aren't at anyone's expense, but they're mostly puns, and not every pun is safe.

Not every pun is safe but every pun should be created in a SAFE environment to enable alignment, collaboration, and delivery across large numbers of agile teams!

SAFE: Supportive, Able-promoting, Freeing, and Exclusive's-opposite...
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