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The Big [Censored] Theory

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Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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Well taking only this thread as a datapoint... your list of censored news stories wasn't convincing. In what sense were any of those "censored"? I read all those cases being made on the internet. Are you naming editorial choice of what to publish "censorship"? I'm just confused. Anecdotally from my own perspective, I see big waves of voting on HN that go in various political directions. Seems consistent with self-sel…

1. Are you serious? Why is Alex Jones censored? Why is Trump censored? Why did people get indefinitely banned for discussing many of those topics on social media? Just a few days ago Zuckerberg was discussing banning / suppressing discussion of the Hunter Biden laptop - https://nypost.com/2022/08/25/mark-zuckerberg-criticizes-twi... Idk what to say about that. It’s not editorial decisions when DMs are being censored…

You’re conflating business and government. Businesses have the right to do what they want with their property within the law.

Otherwise, I don’t know what you’re suggesting to be done. Do you want to expand the powers of the government to moderate these companies and their property?

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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> Most scenes are in the sex category, where characters mentioned sexual descriptions, body parts, and other relevant languages. Meanwhile, they're looking forward to a nice population decline. Idiots.

TV doesn't teach you how to procreate. It teaches you that sex is something for beautiful people and lead characters to engage in as a hobby. Actually having children would limit you from all this no-strings sex you expect to have every week.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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People (or NPCs/bots, like you call them) downvote you because not only is it a bad take and does have questionable grammar, it's also full of misinformation. Let's take your first point for example. If I go on Fox News right now and search for articles about the 2020 election being stolen, I get plenty of articles and opinions talking about it. How exactly was it censored, and how is it comparable to censorship in C…

“misinformation” is a term used to discredit and dismiss. It’s often used by the government in an attempt to censor people on social media

heres an example where the White House admits it: https://nypost.com/2021/07/15/white-house-flagging-posts-for...

That is censorship, because social media then bans (censors) those users and the discussion. Which was my exact point.

What do they do in China: “hey this snippet here looks like misinformation” then the company removes that snippet. They extend it to insults about the Chinese race, but don’t we do the same with gender pronouns?

How is it different materially?

My point was censorship is done universally, just in different ways and for different topics. It’s always the same reason though, to avoid some idea the people in power don’t want propagated. Could be a joke, could be “misinformation”, could be that there’s only one good race (no one dare make fun of), or you can have any gender. It’s all just power / politics.

The censored rarely take the time to learn what is being censored because they don’t think to know. You have to keep the idea from entering the mind of the opposition. That’s why you censor in the first place. You have to defame those who question the authority and call them “fascists” so no one listens to them. Self-censoring who you listen to and not telling others “hey this person has an interesting take!” It’s all the same game, a game to control the population.

> Besides, censorship is not inherently bad, and most stable democracies with a functioning legal system will have some form of censorship, to protect minors, for example.

I would argue we don’t see stable “democracies”, we see oligarchies. Why is it ruling families in the UK still effectively rule? Politicians are always from a certain class. Similar in France, when’s the last commoner who speaks like the rural folk who’s held the prime minister seat? We all see how Trump was treated for speaking plainly… then again, he was a “threat to democracy”

The oligarchs control what you can think, through managing what information you can read / see. “Democracy” in the US is a code word, for the status quo.

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As an LGBTQ person, this makes me very sad. Just look at fandom twitter and you will see how much even a small amount of representation on screen means to people like me. I wish everybody could experience that.

Why does it matter to you that your sexuality is depicted on screen? Sounds like a bizarre thing to worry about.

And US studios already has you covered for centuries worth of "representation" heavy film and TV, why is the Chinese allowing them important?

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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1. Are you serious? Why is Alex Jones censored? Why is Trump censored? Why did people get indefinitely banned for discussing many of those topics on social media? Just a few days ago Zuckerberg was discussing banning / suppressing discussion of the Hunter Biden laptop - https://nypost.com/2022/08/25/mark-zuckerberg-criticizes-twi... Idk what to say about that. It’s not editorial decisions when DMs are being censored…

You’re conflating business and government. Businesses have the right to do what they want with their property within the law. Otherwise, I don’t know what you’re suggesting to be done. Do you want to expand the powers of the government to moderate these companies and their property?

If government comes to you and says “this should be taken down due to X reason” then it is government censoring. China does the same thing. I linked elsewhere in this thread examples of the government asking Facebook or Twitter to censor directly.

There’s an implied threat. The Supreme Court has already ruled on this previously. I expect in the next couple years as court cases about the censorship work through the courts, the same thing will happen again.

If the government was silent and the censorship occurred then MAYBE it’s legal. That of course depends on if it’s a common carrier or public space. Both arguably are true for social media, but again it takes time for the courts to figure it out. I would concede that point, but again government asked for the censorship here.

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Even during the video rental days you weren't allowed to just go out and purchase a bunch of videos at Walmart and start renting them out, you need to have purchased the rights to rent out the video.

Yes, you absolutely could do that legally - it is part of the "right of first sale", however you would have to wait until the videos were available for sale at Walmart. If a video rental store wanted to have access to videos before they were available for home purchase (and most of them did) then they had to make deals with the rights holders and follow the contracts that went along with them.

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Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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1. Are you serious? Why is Alex Jones censored? Why is Trump censored? Why did people get indefinitely banned for discussing many of those topics on social media? Just a few days ago Zuckerberg was discussing banning / suppressing discussion of the Hunter Biden laptop - https://nypost.com/2022/08/25/mark-zuckerberg-criticizes-twi... Idk what to say about that. It’s not editorial decisions when DMs are being censored…

> Just a few days ago Zuckerberg was discussing banning / suppressing discussion of the Hunter Biden laptop - https://nypost.com/2022/08/25/mark-zuckerberg-criticizes-twi ... The main problem is that you compare the freedom of social media platforms to regulate the content they host, to outright government-controlled censorship of all media. If it was actually the government censoring the topic, you would not have be…

My point was censorship, not who’s doing it.

There’s a faction / ideology (across all party lines) in the west that is doing the same thing as China. For the same reasons “to be respectful to one another”.

That’s kinda the point I’m trying to make.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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Kinda related:

I watched a video essay on YouTube about Chinese horror movies and why they are so bad.

The reason was not just regulatory constraints (the ghost turns out to be a dream, because you can’t have ghosts in movies) but also that these changes on quite short notice.

So if you have an idea for a movie and you think it can wriggle around the current regulatory restrictions you better hurry up and film and edit it as fast as possible.

Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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A 10 second clip of a movie that is designed to be stitched with 710 other 10 second clips isn't fair use, it's just copyright infringement. "In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:[8] the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; the nature of t…

We're talking about first sale doctrine here, not fair use. If I did the exact same thing with a VHS tape, cutting out 10 second strips of tape and renting them out to people, that'd be totally legal under first sale doctrine. Doing that with VHS would be totally impractical but legal. Doing it with a digital file would be totally practical but illegal, since currently first sale doctrine doesn't apply to digital dis…

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Re: The Big [Censored] Theory

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The solution to this is, of course, piracy. I'm glad people like those on /r/DataHoarder preserve media in their complete forms so I don't have to watch them censored. A recent example is Community which has an episode of a character dressing as a dark elf, and the joke is that another character assumes it's blackface, even though it's not. Well, networks and streaming services now removed it and unless you have the…

Anyone in China? Do they still have those dvd carts on the streets? Or did they lose out to streaming?

What about torrents and such? Have they been blocked by the firewall or is pirated movies still readily available online?

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