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One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by sp332 »

DanBC wrote: post #31
Nursie wrote: post #22

At some point can't she say "so there's a picture of my left tit on the net, and?" Also I don't understand why people like Moore haven't been sued into the ground for profiting from copyright violation. (edit: I mean other than the whole upfront cost aspect, but given how frickin' insane copyright penalties are, you would think some or other lawyer would take it on a no-win no-fee basis.)

Sure, she can say that. Some professions don't welcome people who have nude photographs of themselves on the Internet - teachers, for example. It seems baffling to me that her partner would consider leaving her, but the article says it was a concern. Or sometimes people at vulnerable points in their lives are outed. Or not even outed, just plain blackmailed. It's very easy to say "just shrug it off", but the numbers…

Well, if people in their social circle made fun of him saying they'd seen her topless, it could certainly stress things between them.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by enraged_camel »

michaelochurch wrote: post #53
marvin wrote: post #10

A somewhat related note is that America's culture of sex-negativity, shame and general hysteria around nudity is a required prerequisite for this type of bullying and abuse. Look at the following paragraph: > Jill became hysterical, repeating, "Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. No." This is, obviously, the reaction of someone who fears repercussions from others. And this is for completely harmless acts (taking nude photos)…

It seems ridiculous to me that the existence of a naked photo (with no context) would be grounds for firing a teacher. It might not be real and, even if, all it proves is that she has a human body, which is not exactly news. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but I agree; this country needs to grow the fuck up.

It doesn't have anything to do with growing up. You have to go for the root cause, which is religious conservatism.

Think about it: why can European TV channels show nudity (and sometimes even porn) during daytime? Is it because Europeans are more "grown up" or is it because they have more sane, liberal values and worldviews?

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by Nursie »

sp332 wrote: post #81
DanBC wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, she can say that. Some professions don't welcome people who have nude photographs of themselves on the Internet - teachers, for example. It seems baffling to me that her partner would consider leaving her, but the article says it was a concern. Or sometimes people at vulnerable points in their lives are outed. Or not even outed, just plain blackmailed. It's very easy to say "just shrug it off", but the numbers…

Well, if people in their social circle made fun of him saying they'd seen her topless, it could certainly stress things between them.

>>Well, if people in their social circle made fun of him saying they'd seen her topless, it could certainly stress things between them.

That would make him pretty worthless.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by michaelochurch »

enraged_camel wrote: post #82
michaelochurch wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems ridiculous to me that the existence of a naked photo (with no context) would be grounds for firing a teacher. It might not be real and, even if, all it proves is that she has a human body, which is not exactly news. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but I agree; this country needs to grow the fuck up.

It doesn't have anything to do with growing up. You have to go for the root cause, which is religious conservatism. Think about it: why can European TV channels show nudity (and sometimes even porn) during daytime? Is it because Europeans are more "grown up" or is it because they have more sane, liberal values and worldviews?

Immaturity (in the aggregate) is an outgrowth and cause of cultural degradation, which is more of a problem in the US than in European countries in which, yes, people tend (on average) to be more socially balanced and adult. Religious conservatism is one expression of an immature mindset (an imaginary friend who rains buttfire on your ideological enemies by the millions). Hunter Moore does not appear religious, but shows a different expression of the pervasive immaturity.

After the 1980s, the anti-intellectual undercurrent (that exists in all societies) metastasized through the resurgent conservative movement (Reagan Revolution). Combine this with economic forces that are (through no fault of their own, for many people) delaying adolescence into what used to be full adulthood and you get a stupid, immature, brain-dead culture.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by michaelochurch »

josephagoss wrote: post #32
chris_wot wrote: post #4

I am surprised that someone didn't injure the man, or worse.

Wikipedia says one of the victims stabbed him, but there are no citations.

Could be, or he could have made it up. Source: your resident trolling expert. (There are two ways to parse that.)

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by ebiester »

_bfhp wrote: post #59
marvin wrote: post #10

A somewhat related note is that America's culture of sex-negativity, shame and general hysteria around nudity is a required prerequisite for this type of bullying and abuse. Look at the following paragraph: > Jill became hysterical, repeating, "Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. No." This is, obviously, the reaction of someone who fears repercussions from others. And this is for completely harmless acts (taking nude photos)…

America is sex-negative? I wish. We've sexualized every inch of women's bodies to the point where we've started sexualizing empty spaces around them (thigh gap). And nice derailing into "men are hurt by society toooooo!!!" Perverts aren't good, and these days they're called rapists. And there are a lot of them. But maybe you think rape/sexual assault only happens in dark alleys the woman probably shouldn't have been…

The women in question are considered "bad" because of a naked picture, presumably showing their sexuality. I would call that sex-negative.

How can the word "slut" be considered a slur in a sex-positive society?

Now, perhaps your point is that it is sex-positive, but only for men. The inequity of sex-acceptability is this: men have their status increased by the act of sex, and women have their status decreased by the act of sex. (Even this is problematic, but it works in general.)

The question is this: is the right answer to normalize having sex with multiple partners so that the woman's status is not decreased by sexual activity, or is it to decrease the man's status by not being constrained to a monogamous relationship?

Consider the gay male culture: within the culture, having sex is normalized -- it does not decrease one's status to have had sex with just about anyone. (this is problematized by AIDS, but stick with me.) A culture of sex-positivity may look like this: yes, it's highly sexualized, but within the culture there isn't a taboo of sex.

A sex-negative culture, on the other hand, places shame on the participants of sex except within rigid boundaries. Is this better than sex-positivity? I argue no.

The US culture, with respects to women, is heavily sexualized but isn't sex-positive.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by sp332 »

Nursie wrote: post #83
sp332 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if people in their social circle made fun of him saying they'd seen her topless, it could certainly stress things between them.

>>Well, if people in their social circle made fun of him saying they'd seen her topless, it could certainly stress things between them. That would make him pretty worthless.

It depends on the relationship of course. Some relationships are worth taking abuse for. Some aren't.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by Glyptodon »

stephen wrote: post #71
Glyptodon wrote: post #14

I have one weird reservation - her daughter is/was 24, but doesn't seem to have been involved a whole lot? Or maybe it's just written that way on purpose? Maybe it's just me, but leaving someone to mope seems a little like you're treating them as more a child than an adult.

Do you have kids? Perhaps you don't understand the righteous anger that a parent would feel in this scenario. If this happened to my kid, I would also completely take over, and want them involved as little as possible. Yes, even if they were 24.

Of course I'd want to on some level, but I'd also want to make sure that even if I helped I'd also be imparting the skills for them to accomplish things on their own.

I think I view enabling a child's independence as a parent's most important job, particularly in light of the often random and occasionally capricious nature of death.

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