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One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by stephen »

Glyptodon wrote: post #14

I have one weird reservation - her daughter is/was 24, but doesn't seem to have been involved a whole lot? Or maybe it's just written that way on purpose? Maybe it's just me, but leaving someone to mope seems a little like you're treating them as more a child than an adult.

Do you have kids? Perhaps you don't understand the righteous anger that a parent would feel in this scenario.

If this happened to my kid, I would also completely take over, and want them involved as little as possible. Yes, even if they were 24.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by sliverstorm »

Nursie wrote: post #65
sliverstorm wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it would be a hard-as-shit weapon to take away from them. In theory it sounds easy, but culture moves at a glacial pace.

Maybe in the US. I don't know, can't really see the slut-shaming working to this extent here in the UK, let alone other parts of Europe. Hell, Italy had an ex-pornstar as a member of parliament for some time IIRC.

Right, because the UK & much of the EU already have that positive culture. You're standing on the mountain, we're ten thousand feet below in a valley, and you're asking why we can't just hop on up to the peak to join you quicklike :)

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by sliverstorm »

gw wrote: post #70
sliverstorm wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A litigious culture in which courts and police are heavily relied on to solve disputes. That's what the courts ARE FOR. Are you saying you'd prefer to live in the world where Charlotte flies to Sacramento and calls Hunter out at high noon in a cowboy hat? Because it seems fairly clear the "negotiation" option was a complete non-starter.

Courts don't exist to solve all disputes, surely. One clear indication that this is not an appropriate dispute to solve using men with guns is the fact that she had to rely on awkward legal maneuvers (retroactively registering the photo with the copyright office and sending a DMCA notice) that clearly weren't intended for this. The alternative is not to engage in a different form of violence, but rather to ignore it…

The alternative is not to engage in a different form of violence, but rather to ignore it and continue on with your life.

You and I have our beliefs about sexuality, and perhaps any one woman showing up on this website could elect to ignore it. But it's quite clear that Hunter was causing women real harm & suffering, regardless what your or my beliefs about sexuality are. Particularly considering he got people fired. I don't know about you, but someone getting me fired is not some little joke I can ignore.

One clear indication that this is not an appropriate dispute (...) is the fact that she had to rely on awkward legal maneuvers

I disagree. I believe that's a clear indication the legal system is currently catching up to technology, not that the law doesn't belong on the internet.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by Nursie »

sliverstorm wrote: post #72
Nursie wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe in the US. I don't know, can't really see the slut-shaming working to this extent here in the UK, let alone other parts of Europe. Hell, Italy had an ex-pornstar as a member of parliament for some time IIRC.

Right, because the UK & much of the EU already have that positive culture. You're standing on the mountain, we're ten thousand feet below in a valley, and you're asking why we can't just hop on up to the peak to join you quicklike :)

Perhaps so.

I find the whole thing baffling. I find it genuinely difficult to understand how any actor was anything but sympathetic to the women in the story. It brings a whole new light to the idea of 'revenge porn', which I had always assumed was just a way to cause someone some embarrassment and would be quickly forgotten.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by rustynails77 »

simonsarris wrote: post #29
nsxwolf wrote: post #19

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So would you say that Hunter Moore is really a hero? Helping us all get over our hang ups wether we like it or not?

I think that's a stretch - it would be like saying war is really a good thing because of the (possibly good) ending side effects. If I may recall the relevant operetta on HN: CANDIDE: Objection! What about war? PANGLOSS: War! Though war may seem a bloody curse It is a blessing in reverse When canon roar -- Both rich and poor By danger are united! (Till every wrong is righted!) Philosophers make evident The point that…

"it would be like saying war is really a good thing because of the (possibly good) ending side effects."

>it would be like saying war is really a good thing because of the (possibly good) ending side effects.

War can be a good thing for that very reason. It can be a form of politics that is used to avoid further and larger loss of life. However, this only works if the war is not drawn out.

Art of War (and relevant analyses) are good references on this topic. Art of War specifically talks about avoiding long and drawn out campaigns, and let's just say that a few recent examples come to mind.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by fallingOff »

meepmorp wrote: post #47
fallingOff wrote: post #37

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In all seriousness, I look forward to a world with assassination markets every time I read a story like this.

Yes, murder is the correct solution to situations that make you mad. This cannot fail to go well for absolutely everyone.

If you trust in the feasibility of anonymous currency and anonymous internet hosting/browsing (we are close to both already via Tor and Bitcoin/blind mixes), then get ready for a world with assassination markets. It really doesn't matter what you think about it.

I see a number of advantages to de facto anarchy, Hunter Moore getting offed is only one.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by bjh13 »

gw wrote: post #70
sliverstorm wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A litigious culture in which courts and police are heavily relied on to solve disputes. That's what the courts ARE FOR. Are you saying you'd prefer to live in the world where Charlotte flies to Sacramento and calls Hunter out at high noon in a cowboy hat? Because it seems fairly clear the "negotiation" option was a complete non-starter.

Courts don't exist to solve all disputes, surely. One clear indication that this is not an appropriate dispute to solve using men with guns is the fact that she had to rely on awkward legal maneuvers (retroactively registering the photo with the copyright office and sending a DMCA notice) that clearly weren't intended for this. The alternative is not to engage in a different form of violence, but rather to ignore it…

Ignoring it and continuing on with your life isn't an option if you have to worry that next time you apply for a job someone is going to search your name and find that picture.

This guy wasn't posting these pictures annonymously, he was including personal and identifying information so that it would come up if you searched their name and even their facebook timeline. You should also look past the daughter in the story, what about the teacher who was fired on the spot when the photo was posted? Not only was she fired, but she would be unable to work in that field ever again. How could she possibly ignore what happened?

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by marquis »

ars wrote: post #17
scotty79 wrote: post #12

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Perv: "I've seen you naked." Response in sane culture: "Nobody cares. Grow up and find something useful to be excited about."

Presumably both of you will now go ahead and post naked pictures of yourself since you don't care if anyone sees them? Perhaps follow up with bank and medical records? Or do you feel that privacy only applies to things other than nudity? Oh and I'm sure you wouldn't mind hundreds of people contacting you and your employer and calling you all sorts of names.

In decent societies nudity isn't even something considered worth taking pictures over. Try visiting Austria for example during the summer and taking a swim. Good luck find any non-naked beaches (at least partial), where anyone cares.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by ebiester »

gw wrote: post #70
sliverstorm wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A litigious culture in which courts and police are heavily relied on to solve disputes. That's what the courts ARE FOR. Are you saying you'd prefer to live in the world where Charlotte flies to Sacramento and calls Hunter out at high noon in a cowboy hat? Because it seems fairly clear the "negotiation" option was a complete non-starter.

Courts don't exist to solve all disputes, surely. One clear indication that this is not an appropriate dispute to solve using men with guns is the fact that she had to rely on awkward legal maneuvers (retroactively registering the photo with the copyright office and sending a DMCA notice) that clearly weren't intended for this. The alternative is not to engage in a different form of violence, but rather to ignore it…

...and if you are fired because someone sees your naked photo? If someone comes up to you in a store and says, "I've seen you naked?" Both of these were examples of the harassment women go through regularly after an event like this.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by ne0codex »

sliverstorm wrote: post #61
gw wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely spot on. I have no sympathy for the villain, but this story sums up modern America: 1. A prudish culture in which women are fired for the slightest revealing photo. 2. A litigious culture in which courts and police are heavily relied on to solve disputes. 3. An infantilized youth remaining under the wings of their parents long after reaching adulthood. 4. A burgeoning labyrinth of overly-specific laws bein…

A litigious culture in which courts and police are heavily relied on to solve disputes. That's what the courts ARE FOR. Are you saying you'd prefer to live in the world where Charlotte flies to Sacramento and calls Hunter out at high noon in a cowboy hat? Because it seems fairly clear the "negotiation" option was a complete non-starter.

I understood this point to deal with the abuse of the judicial system and the belief that law enforcement has the same powers as portrayed in TV shows like CSI, not in the fact that we have a justice system in place.
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