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Why are Americans giving up their citizenship?

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Re: Why are Americans giving up their citizenship?

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If you ask me, "Are you willing to pay for generational theft, subsidies for the health insurance industry, and killing brown people on the other side of the planet?" I will probably say something like "No." It looks like an agreeable meaning of "coerce" is "to make (someone) do something by using force or threats." So if someone, or some group of people, convinces me to fund the causes listed above by means of threa…

You're only being coerced if you are also coerced to not commit murder, not drink and drive, not steal other people's things, not rob banks, not set fire to other people's things, etc. Calling paying legally authorized taxes coercion is abusing language to make a stupid political point. Calling tax-paying "generational theft" is the same thing. Besides, you're missing the point of the parent statement--comparing slav…

It's a bit rude to suppose that I want to commit murder, drink and drive, steal, rob banks, and set fire to things.

Calling paying legally authorized taxes coercion is abusing language to make a stupid political point.

Sorry, could you point out in what way the situation I described is not coercion? Are we to suppose that it is not coercion because it has been happening for a while, to a variety of people, despite the definition of the word not mentioning this?

Calling tax-paying "generational theft" is the same thing.

Social Security will not exist in its current form when I am 65. A variety of solutions could cause it to continue to exist in some form, like killing people when they reach the age of 80 (this probably would not be legal), paying out less, setting the cutoff age to be later, or just arbitrarily denying payouts to people completely at random (this would be legal - see Flemming v. Nestor), but most of the likely solutions to the problem result in people my age paying in a great deal more than we will ever receive.

Re: Why are Americans giving up their citizenship?

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Oh please. Spare us the shitty history lesson. The state has existed in human history for more than 10,000 years. The survival and thriving of the human race prior to the establishment of states is incomparable to the last 10,000 years--except to say that they evolved, survived, and propagated the species. They did not thrive . The human race was hardly shit before it began establishing states in order to organize, c…

I wonder if there is a libertarian-minded ant somewhere wanting to rebel against their oppressive colony. States are not unique to human beings.

Ants are not oppressed by their colony. Read the book "Les fourmis" if you want to learn more about how the actually live.

Re: Why are Americans giving up their citizenship?

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> Living inside the state, you wouldn't have those fruits if it weren't for the state Nice theory but it's not even like you have a remote possibility to live outside of the State. Every country require you to BELONG to a State. You'd rather look back in History how people were actually able to survive and thrive before advanced State powers even existed. The Human Race was not born with a State and Government to dir…

Oh please. Spare us the shitty history lesson. The state has existed in human history for more than 10,000 years. The survival and thriving of the human race prior to the establishment of states is incomparable to the last 10,000 years--except to say that they evolved, survived, and propagated the species. They did not thrive . The human race was hardly shit before it began establishing states in order to organize, c…

Human history dates way back than 10 000 years ago. So, you are not proving anything with this kind of statement.

Re: Why are Americans giving up their citizenship?

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post #83

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Oh please. Spare us the shitty history lesson. The state has existed in human history for more than 10,000 years. The survival and thriving of the human race prior to the establishment of states is incomparable to the last 10,000 years--except to say that they evolved, survived, and propagated the species. They did not thrive . The human race was hardly shit before it began establishing states in order to organize, c…

Human history dates way back than 10 000 years ago. So, you are not proving anything with this kind of statement.

Duh. Never said it didn't. I'm guessing you didn't actually read anything I wrote. The choosing of 10,000 years ago was to the earliest known establishment of a state. That was pretty obvious in my comment.

Re: Why are Americans giving up their citizenship?

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As I understand it, the only way the USG can enforce those orders is if the financial institution has a branch/subsidiary in the US. If they don't, I think they are free to ignore the requirement.

I heard it tries to go one step beyond that. If Deutsche Bank has operations in the US, it falls under FATCA. BUT it is also required to not do business with some small German bank that has no operation in the US that does not comply with FATCA; i.e. DB is used to coerce the small German bank with no US operation to report its American customers in Germany to the US.

This is really evil.
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