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Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s Eight Books Everyone Should Read

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Capitalism has also annihilated entire species from the face of the Earth and is a leading, driving force in causing global climate change. Summarizing it as having put billions of people out of misery is not doing it justice.

You probably prefer other systems who focuses on the annihilation of the human race above all ? If you were born in a "capitalist" country you are probably owing to that system the right to be alive nowadays, well fed and educated. Look at how people fare in countries where there is no entrepreneurship, no free markets and no way to invest the fruits of your labor. You ought to travel a little more.

I've spent as much time travelling in Eastern Europe as my bank account can afford. It's insulting and rude to suggest I don't have world knowledge merely because I can see pitfalls of capitalism.

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Agree with other comments here. I've flipped through Wealth of Nations, Origin of Species and others and couldn't keep my focus tethered down. So let me ask you this: What are the top 10 essential reads of today for helping one develop a critical mind and a better understanding of the world around them?

This thread is filled with the "appeal to authority" logical fallacy and it's sad, so I can see where your question is coming from. I personally like to read books from people who predicted things before they happened and try to understand their mindset. Understanding finance... One may not like its writing style but Nicolas Nassim Taleb's "The Black Swan" helped me understand how finance was indeed the crumbs of cap…

If you read a book like "Lords of Finance" you get a good idea why the Keynes school of thought won out. Granted it focuses on the last big financial bust but when you read it you can see a lot of similarities to what happened recently. I read a lot of economic books on both schools of thought and this is one of the best I've ever read.

Love him or hate him Bernanke is a real student of that era and here is a quote (from wikipedia, didn't do a background check on accuracy) "On September 2, 2010, Chairman of the Federal Reserve Ben Bernanke was asked by the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission what books or academic papers he would recommend to understand the financial crisis of 2007–2010. The only book that Bernanke recommended was Lords of Finance."

Re: Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s Eight Books Everyone Should Read

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You were being obtuse because since his opinion differs from yours he must have had problems 'understanding' capitalism.

Yeah, because Capitalism is a system that has put millions/billions of people out of misery and starvation throughout the world (and you can see that, proven again when Communist China started to inject some capitalism in its economy in the 1990s), and summarizing is as simply "greed" just does not do much justice to it.

> Yeah, because Capitalism is a system that has put millions/billions of people out of misery and starvation throughout the world

So has Stalin!!![1]

I am not sure you are aware of the precious, precious ambiguity in your use of the idiom "putting someone out of their misery"...

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/put+out+of+misery

[1]: Tell me, is what I wrote positive or negative? Either way, I'm sure Capitalism did!

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"For those that deny the possibility of spiritual experience within a naturalistic world view. A lot of atheism that is public today misses empathy with religious experience." Aldous Huxley, "The doors of perception". Warning: it's debunking the experience. Just as modern science starts to explain (and reproduce) why/how people are seeing "the light at the end of a dark tunnel" when they have near-death experience. L…

> Regarding atheists lacking empathy: for centuries atheists have been tracked down and exterminated and there are still religious people, today, calling them atheists "disciples of Satan" and calling for their extermination. > So at least give them some credit if they lack "empathy" with those that have relentlessly been purchasing them. For me, lack of empathy stems always from ignorance and a lack of understanding…

Many atheists understand this. Honestly I think that religious people suffer from the same delusion as atheists. Just like the atheists see religious extremists and tend to over look the rest of the religious moderates around him, Christians, Islamists, etc. see only the atheists that openly taunt and threaten them (whether or not the threat is real or perceived).

I would wager that most atheists are not that extreme. They were brought up and now live in a world seeped with religion. Those that live in areas where religion is repressive learn to hide it while those in the developed world (especially the US) usually have to adapt. Likewise much of the people in the US have no problem with atheists. Many will be confused or question your decision, maybe be a bit condescending, but few will be spiteful. Atheists make up 14% of the population. They may be concentrated in the West and East but they are nonetheless everywhere. I know many Christian families that grew when one of their family members came out as an atheist and they had to deal with an entirely different world view (and often a different view on knowledge and faith), even if it was in the teen rebellion stage of atheism.

I know many extreme atheists and even they dont lack empathy for the religious or their religion. They're extremist because (this is my hypothesis based on nothing more than self reflection) atheists see the possibility for the same fulfillment, morality, and answers in a different world view, one that is largely naturalistic and does not come with the "moral baggage" of ancient (and largely static) religions and philosophies. This view, however, is shared by relatively few people, seemingly in growing numbers, and the few have to be vocal.

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I've read some of those books cover to cover (Art of War, the Prince) & other's I've glazed over because they were, well, boring & laborious & I don't believe anybody should be recommending them as things to read for enjoyment (Origin of the Species or The Bible, for instance). So here's my list of 8 for things that you'll probably never finish, but extract huge value from anyway. -Richard Feynman Lectures on Physics…

The Bible, boring? I mean, it drones on with boring passages sometimes, but the stories are far from boring. I'd say terrifying, sickening, tragic at times. I'll bump your Feynman Lectures (watch the videos), and add everything else (his books). Even laypersons can understand him. Feynman wrote some lectures on computation too which has some gems in it. http://books.google.com/books/about/Feynman_Lectures_On_Comp...…

> The Bible, boring? I mean, it drones on with boring passages sometimes, but the stories are far from boring. I'd say terrifying, sickening, tragic at times.

It's like reading a Shakespearean play for me. The stories might be interesting, but a lot of the time it's hard to understand what is actually going on, and what's going through the actors' heads.

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> I'm more of a militant agnostic in the: "I don't know, and you don't either" style ; ) What an odd statement. Confidence levels are nearly never 100%. Taking the position that because one can never make a 100% claim, that all possibilities are of equal probability - that's sort of a useless position to have as it can apply to nearly any statement. See also: Russell's teapot, invisible pink unicorns. 1: http://en.wi…

I take the word "atheist" at literal face value. I call myself an atheist because I am "a" == "not" a "theist" == "religious adherent". Agnostics are also in that category. The squabbling about non-theistic definitions is stupidly pointless. Come on guys, we're all not theists here!

Would you say that the phrase "atheistic religion" is a contradiction in terms?

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I've read some of those books cover to cover (Art of War, the Prince) & other's I've glazed over because they were, well, boring & laborious & I don't believe anybody should be recommending them as things to read for enjoyment (Origin of the Species or The Bible, for instance). So here's my list of 8 for things that you'll probably never finish, but extract huge value from anyway. -Richard Feynman Lectures on Physics…

I wouldn't recommend the King James Version of the Bible for its religious content, not being a Christian and all, but it's essential for understanding half the allusions of English literature. If you haven't, try it. The 1769 Authorized Version (what you'll surely get if you just buy a KJV Bible) is very readable, the language is beautiful (and, in my opinion, enjoyable) and you'll appreciate your books much more.

If you are going to read it take note of the various mistranslations it makes. 'Hell' isn't actually a concept in the old testament, but the KJV engages in Whig History and uses it throughout.

Even the first words of the Bible "In the beginning" are a mistranslation (though that mistranslation occurred thousands of years before the KJV and was a result of written Hebrew omitting vowels or something).

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I've read some of those books cover to cover (Art of War, the Prince) & other's I've glazed over because they were, well, boring & laborious & I don't believe anybody should be recommending them as things to read for enjoyment (Origin of the Species or The Bible, for instance). So here's my list of 8 for things that you'll probably never finish, but extract huge value from anyway. -Richard Feynman Lectures on Physics…

For the most part, I like your list better, but I do think everyone should read the works of Thomas Paine. In particular, I think that every single American should have to read Common Sense first in high school, and then annually as a part of registration process for voting (Along with the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.) I also happen to think that the Age of Reason is one of t…

Don't forget Agrarian Justice.. really short, really insightful.

Re: Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s Eight Books Everyone Should Read

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I wouldn't recommend the King James Version of the Bible for its religious content, not being a Christian and all, but it's essential for understanding half the allusions of English literature. If you haven't, try it. The 1769 Authorized Version (what you'll surely get if you just buy a KJV Bible) is very readable, the language is beautiful (and, in my opinion, enjoyable) and you'll appreciate your books much more.

If you are going to read it take note of the various mistranslations it makes. 'Hell' isn't actually a concept in the old testament, but the KJV engages in Whig History and uses it throughout. Even the first words of the Bible "In the beginning" are a mistranslation (though that mistranslation occurred thousands of years before the KJV and was a result of written Hebrew omitting vowels or something).

Sure, the first verse of my translated study Torah is 'When God was about to create heaven and earth...' This corrected interpretation's not particularly new, either - it's based on a commentary from an 11th century rabbi.

However, like it or not, all of the KJV's mistranslations are much more influential than the original - and most influential of all is its phrasing and choice of vocabulary.

I suppose what you focus on depends on what you want to get from it. If you're interested in understanding how the Bible's influenced our language and literature, I'd go KJV all the way. If you want to grapple with spiritual and theological issues, that's a different story.

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