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Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by cageface »

nanijoe wrote: post #58
cageface wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've said this many times here before but I'll say it again - the way to make money on the app store is to build apps on contract for other people. If building and selling your own products is your goal then there are other platforms and distribution channels that are much less hostile to the small indie dev.

Can you share what platforms / distribution channels you recommend?

It's very product specific. For example, I'm interested in music-making software so I'm looking at VST plugins. A web-based SAAS app might make more sense for other people, etc.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by Firehed »

jonny_eh wrote: post #20
socialist_coder wrote: post #17

Why not just team up with a publisher? They submit the app using their Apple ID, they help with marketing, reviews, etc. They get a cut of the profits, but it sounds like it would be worth it in your case.

I guess if it comes down to that, we're now back to the bad old ways of publishing software, what a bummer.

Middle men only exist when they add value to the equation, except in extreme circumstances. People that want to do everything themselves can do so, but they may not have the resources (time, skill, or money) to be effective at all that stuff that would otherwise magically happen. I just submitted my first app to the App Store on Sunday (yay, review time!) and as I was doing so realized there was a ton of stuff I had never really considered.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by djt »

eduardordm wrote: post #74
ary wrote: post #56

Was the "GO TO HELL" really necessary? Frustration is understandable, but what do you gain from abusing a customer support person at a large and influential technology company and then vanity posting it to the internet? Let's say the recipient of your "Dear Apple" email decided to forgive and forget; what you've got left is an announcement to the rest of us about your inability to be civil under stress. Temporary rel…

Yeah, I think I went too far. But believe me, this came to the point where I almost cried of anger. The sentiment of powerlessness is strong.

Probably a good lesson there in developing for walled garden environments.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by taligent »

nanijoe wrote: post #36

To be honest, it seems these days like Apple is trying their best to reduce the number of [small] developers that publish to the App Store. I have been selling on the app store for close to 3 years, and in the last 6 months, pretty much every thing that somewhat levels the playing field has been taken away by Apple. The new releases list used to be every apps's chance to be visible for at least 24 - 48 hrs, and if en…

Am I missing something or is everything you are saying wrong ?

Apple hasn't removed the New Release section, it was two taps for me to find the Top Free/Paid apps in each category and the process for registration for single developers hasn't changed.

I also don't agree that getting into mobile apps is a bad thing right now. If you can make something great you have every opportunity to do well.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by mikeash »

eridius wrote: post #61
eduardordm wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My idea was to release an app every 3-5 months and make at least 60k/year. I cannot sell that much in Brazil as a individual (limit here is 36k BRL). Actually, it took me 8 days to open the company. At the first day I had the CNPJ (EIN in the US), so, in fact, it took me less than 24 hours to be able to accept payments. I don't see the app store as a viable way of making a living anymore (for single developers). I'll…

First off, you actually have a limit on how much an individual developer can make? That sounds crazy. Secondly, I don't understand your anger at Apple. They don't control DUNS numbers. It's not their fault that you're having a problem getting one.

Apple controls their own requirements. They don't have to require a DUNS number, and didn't until recently. If DUNS sucks, it makes perfect sense to blame Apple for requiring them.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by mikeash »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #10

The DUNS number is nothing to do with Apple, it's all handled by a separate company and something used internationally by many companies, not just Apple. 1. Why don't you just register as an individual and then convert the account to a company one once you get your DUNS number? 2. Why is it taking so longer to get the DUNS number? I registered my business with the government then applied for the DUNS number and got i…

The DUNS number has nothing to do with Apple, except for the critical fact that Apple requires one when they don't have to.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by publicfig »

eduardordm wrote: post #74
ary wrote: post #56

Was the "GO TO HELL" really necessary? Frustration is understandable, but what do you gain from abusing a customer support person at a large and influential technology company and then vanity posting it to the internet? Let's say the recipient of your "Dear Apple" email decided to forgive and forget; what you've got left is an announcement to the rest of us about your inability to be civil under stress. Temporary rel…

Yeah, I think I went too far. But believe me, this came to the point where I almost cried of anger. The sentiment of powerlessness is strong.

All part of being an entrepreneur. It's important to be able to handle these kinds of setbacks and if you're not capable of it either become capable or stop trying.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by upinsmoke »

eduardordm wrote: post #15
k-mcgrady wrote: post #10

The DUNS number is nothing to do with Apple, it's all handled by a separate company and something used internationally by many companies, not just Apple. 1. Why don't you just register as an individual and then convert the account to a company one once you get your DUNS number? 2. Why is it taking so longer to get the DUNS number? I registered my business with the government then applied for the DUNS number and got i…

In every country they have a branch, each with different prices and delivery times. In Brazil I was asked 60 working days for the free service.

Wow. I got mine in 2 minutes.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by benatkin »

eduardordm wrote: post #28
teh_klev wrote: post #23

"and was told I need to wait another month" "The source code will become public as soon as all drawing tools (those white boxes on the tool bar) are functional. This should take some days (around 20-40 LOC per tool) I’m also trying to clean some some mess (lots on unused assets, etc)" I may have read this the wrong way, but it sounds like your app is incomplete and you've got at least another 20-30 days development t…

I stopped the development when I was told to wait (nov 26th). Those are just scripts that render objects, the app is fully developed. In fact, they are PDFs drawn in adobe illustrator and just added to a JSON file. The lines of code are just stub classes.

It might be fully programmed but it isn't fully developed. Development includes more than just code.
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