And what about the criminals who left these systems exposed?
Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed
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#82Britain got talent I guess. They are teenagers. They don't belong in prison, they belong in an any cybercrime agency.
Idk about Britain, but in the US that’s exactly where they’d end up after serving their sentence.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is not autism, that is sociopathy. Autism does not turn on and off when you can gain something from it. In your telling, autism is an excuse when they abuse others, because they cant help themselves. But, when it is for their benefit, the same person actually displays higher social skills.
They're not excusing the sociopathic element. They're explaining the apparent discrepancy between the fact that autistic people are bad at socializing and the fact that some autistic people are good at social engineering.
There's no discrepancy because "social engineering" isn't "Being good at social things"
Social engineering is just conman pressure tactics or hard sales tactics. It's so simple you can train your average stay at home mom or "hustle culture" bro to do it for Amway or similar in an afternoon.
It requires zero social skills. You aren't "Charming" the tech support, you are just badgering them and waiting until they do the normal human thing of trying to be helpful.
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#84> The court heard the single child was given his first laptop at the age of 10 by his parents - carers who moved to London from Bangladesh. Ah.. I hate when stereotypes play out like this. It's always those single children.
Those single children have too much time on their hands! I dare say
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't understand what you mean, can you explain?
Let's say I invented a genius way to use cryptography to send anonymous payments, I'd go to jail for doing that (Tornado Cash). Let's say I made a secure messenger, I'd go to jail for that (Telegram, EncroChat, SkyECC) or narrowly avoid jail (Session) or be forced to add a backdoor (Anom). Let's say I made an operating system that didn't spy on you, I'd be threatened with jail for that (GrapheneOS). And of course the…
Telegram and Session are never secure by any means. Honestly I'd consider both of them to be intelligence and law enforcement honeypots given how aggressively they marketed themselves as the "secure" option and how little they actually deliver.
I would trust WhatsApp before I trust telegram.
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#86Remembering back, I certainly lacked a lot of critical reasoning which could have led me to do possibly equally stupid stuff like this had I the skill in my early teens. As I remember it, life felt more like a "game" in that you do whatever it lets you, without much consideration of whether people will be (potentially very) upset with what you've done. In person activities stood high risk of getting caught, but onlin…
From the arrival: > Jubair has 22 previous convictions related to hacking, fraud and harassment. There’s more to what was going on here and none of us is really qualified to diagnose the psychology behind it from the details. I hope they can find some peace later in life because they are obviously not lacking ambition or ability
wayyy to much ambition, not enough ability (to STFU and follow OpSec)
getting in is often the easy part. getting out, undetected, with stuff that matters, is the hard part.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please don't frame these as technological crimes, nobody has yet been prosecuted for that specifically.
What do you think the Tornado Cash people were prosecuted for if not offering technology?
they were money laundering for the N Koreans not just "offering technology"
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this was true in the 90s and 2000s. When not everyone was a script kiddie. But why hire someone that literally didn't write their own exploit? Sounds like the most advanced thing they did was just social engineering and dumping a DB.
You remember a way different 90's than I do. It was just simpler back then. There was no aslr, no hardware level protection from execution, traffic was all plaintext, switches didn't exist, or maybe they did but just nobody used them and everything on every network was just one giant collision domain, developers by and large didn't even think about securing software outside of DRM, and absolutely nobody understood th…
disagree. back then you were an autodydact.
i can get on YT or some AI and find how to do virtually all of the stuff you mentioned, but back then you had to roll your own and figure it out yourself
but i am generally in alignment with the idea that they're not getting gub'mnt jobs now. 1) how could you trust them? and 2) there is a global glut of talent, including laid-off FAANG / big-org talent that you could scoop up.
why take a risk with an idiot who can't keep his ego in check long enough to maintain OpSec when you can hire a senior security engineer just laid off from Oracle with an MIT pedigree? 30 years ago the 133t haxor types were rare, but now they're churning out cybersecurity grads to the point of oversaturation.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article is reporting on what was discussed in court: Autism, suicidal tendencies, living with grandparents. These were all probably brought up as elements of the story meant to influence the verdict. Take it up with lawyers.
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yeah but these guys actually had friends and accomplished stuff.
they're terrible at OpSec, sure, but they were part of a gang and cracked systems
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#90do you think there is a way to divert kids like this into some kind of useful programming / IT direction and if so what do you think would be the best way to handle this (like a group that takes black hat hackers to white hat hacker projects?) kids with like anti-social or aggressive tendencies plus maybe some tech "skillz"
Like putting kids that get into fights into the military.
the military generally doesn't want those guys. maybe minor incidents but you don't want some idiot with impulse control issues handling a 240B machine gun.
a little belligerent, sure, and sometimes judges will push da yout with minor court issues into the service, but the army ain't recruiting murders and serious gangbangers, and for good reason