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Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by Aurornis »

jonathanlydall wrote: post #2

Remembering back, I certainly lacked a lot of critical reasoning which could have led me to do possibly equally stupid stuff like this had I the skill in my early teens. As I remember it, life felt more like a "game" in that you do whatever it lets you, without much consideration of whether people will be (potentially very) upset with what you've done. In person activities stood high risk of getting caught, but onlin…

From the arrival:

> Jubair has 22 previous convictions related to hacking, fraud and harassment.

There’s more to what was going on here and none of us is really qualified to diagnose the psychology behind it from the details. I hope they can find some peace later in life because they are obviously not lacking ambition or ability

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by williamdclt »

inigyou wrote: post #6
jonathanlydall wrote: post #2

Remembering back, I certainly lacked a lot of critical reasoning which could have led me to do possibly equally stupid stuff like this had I the skill in my early teens. As I remember it, life felt more like a "game" in that you do whatever it lets you, without much consideration of whether people will be (potentially very) upset with what you've done. In person activities stood high risk of getting caught, but onlin…

Now I have the opposite feeling. I know that if I ever do something useful that people like, I'll go to jail for it. I don't know how startup founders do it, I guess they need legal backing from an incubator.

I don't understand what you mean, can you explain?

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Post by cindyllm »

inigyou wrote: post #6
jonathanlydall wrote: post #2

Remembering back, I certainly lacked a lot of critical reasoning which could have led me to do possibly equally stupid stuff like this had I the skill in my early teens. As I remember it, life felt more like a "game" in that you do whatever it lets you, without much consideration of whether people will be (potentially very) upset with what you've done. In person activities stood high risk of getting caught, but onlin…

Now I have the opposite feeling. I know that if I ever do something useful that people like, I'll go to jail for it. I don't know how startup founders do it, I guess they need legal backing from an incubator.

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Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by Aurornis »

d-lowl wrote: post #5

>Jubair and Flowers who both have autism , gained access to the data by tricking a phone help desk worker. What does this have to do with anything in this article.

The article is reporting on what was discussed in court: Autism, suicidal tendencies, living with grandparents. These were all probably brought up as elements of the story meant to influence the verdict.

Take it up with lawyers.

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Post by folkrav »

jonathanlydall wrote: post #2

Remembering back, I certainly lacked a lot of critical reasoning which could have led me to do possibly equally stupid stuff like this had I the skill in my early teens. As I remember it, life felt more like a "game" in that you do whatever it lets you, without much consideration of whether people will be (potentially very) upset with what you've done. In person activities stood high risk of getting caught, but onlin…

Behavior being different online than in real life is not limited to kids either. Nobody on Facebook is meaner than a 60-something year old lady with a wall full of cat pictures and minion memes. I genuinely doubt that half of them would hold the same discourse face to face.

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Post by kayo_20211030 »

When I see this it makes me depressed.

> gained access to the data by tricking a phone help desk worker.

The whole edifice was built on a helpful, possibly overworked and possibly harassed help desk worker? The end result is that two kids end up in jail. It could have been so different, and better. What they did was wrong for sure, and has real-world consequences for those whose information was leaked. But, when I look at the contingencies that led to the outcome, it really does depress me.

"all for the want of a nail"

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Post by Steve16384 »

inigyou wrote: post #8
d-lowl wrote: post #5

>Jubair and Flowers who both have autism , gained access to the data by tricking a phone help desk worker. What does this have to do with anything in this article.

Helps spread memes the BBC wants you to believe. Namely, autistic people bad. See, this is why I think the BBC needs to go.

Why on earth would the BBC want or care for people to believe that? Are they in the pay of the anti-autism league? We're through the looking glass people!

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Post by masfuerte »

d-lowl wrote: post #5

>Jubair and Flowers who both have autism , gained access to the data by tricking a phone help desk worker. What does this have to do with anything in this article.

Schrodinger's hackers. They are simultaneously autistic and skilled at social engineering.

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Post by grubbs »

grim_io wrote: post #3
jonathanlydall wrote: post #2

Remembering back, I certainly lacked a lot of critical reasoning which could have led me to do possibly equally stupid stuff like this had I the skill in my early teens. As I remember it, life felt more like a "game" in that you do whatever it lets you, without much consideration of whether people will be (potentially very) upset with what you've done. In person activities stood high risk of getting caught, but onlin…

With their skills and nowhere to go, they will be doing this for the government.

I think this was true in the 90s and 2000s. When not everyone was a script kiddie. But why hire someone that literally didn't write their own exploit? Sounds like the most advanced thing they did was just social engineering and dumping a DB.
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