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Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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>Jubair and Flowers who both have autism , gained access to the data by tricking a phone help desk worker. What does this have to do with anything in this article.

The article is reporting on what was discussed in court: Autism, suicidal tendencies, living with grandparents. These were all probably brought up as elements of the story meant to influence the verdict. Take it up with lawyers.

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Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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>Jubair and Flowers who both have autism , gained access to the data by tricking a phone help desk worker. What does this have to do with anything in this article.

Autism always makes your kids into sociopathic hackers, as we all know. They are also always top of their class in maths and bad at interacting with people /s

Unless it is to trick them into resetting a password over the phone that is

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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> Woolwich Crown Court heard both men [...] spent most of their time online unsupervised.

Such an infantilising and surveillance-normalizing slant. Why is it worthy of mention that an adult spent time unsupervised? (Sure, one of them was 17 at the time, but that didn't stop them from waiting until he was 18 to charge him)

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With their skills and nowhere to go, they will be doing this for the government.

I think this was true in the 90s and 2000s. When not everyone was a script kiddie. But why hire someone that literally didn't write their own exploit? Sounds like the most advanced thing they did was just social engineering and dumping a DB.

You remember a way different 90's than I do.

It was just simpler back then. There was no aslr, no hardware level protection from execution, traffic was all plaintext, switches didn't exist, or maybe they did but just nobody used them and everything on every network was just one giant collision domain, developers by and large didn't even think about securing software outside of DRM, and absolutely nobody understood the basic premise that someone on the phone may be lying to your business to get access to things they want.

The skillset that made you a 1337 h4x0r in the 90's makes you a mediocre sysadmin these days.

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Helps spread memes the BBC wants you to believe. Namely, autistic people bad. See, this is why I think the BBC needs to go.

Why on earth would the BBC want or care for people to believe that? Are they in the pay of the anti-autism league? We're through the looking glass people!

I don't know but they've been spreading this kind of thing for a while. See also how they report on the middle east.

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Remembering back, I certainly lacked a lot of critical reasoning which could have led me to do possibly equally stupid stuff like this had I the skill in my early teens. As I remember it, life felt more like a "game" in that you do whatever it lets you, without much consideration of whether people will be (potentially very) upset with what you've done. In person activities stood high risk of getting caught, but onlin…

You used to do computer science for world of warcraft?! Sounds cool!

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Remembering back, I certainly lacked a lot of critical reasoning which could have led me to do possibly equally stupid stuff like this had I the skill in my early teens. As I remember it, life felt more like a "game" in that you do whatever it lets you, without much consideration of whether people will be (potentially very) upset with what you've done. In person activities stood high risk of getting caught, but onlin…

I don't know, I was reading the article and went "well, good for them, if they could get into the system, fair play". Then I saw the part where they stole tons of data and inconvenienced people, and I can't support that.

If you hack into a system and leave a note "I got into your system, I win", more power to you. If you do damage, go to prison.

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Now I have the opposite feeling. I know that if I ever do something useful that people like, I'll go to jail for it. I don't know how startup founders do it, I guess they need legal backing from an incubator.

I don't understand what you mean, can you explain?

Let's say I invented a genius way to use cryptography to send anonymous payments, I'd go to jail for doing that (Tornado Cash). Let's say I made a secure messenger, I'd go to jail for that (Telegram, EncroChat, SkyECC) or narrowly avoid jail (Session) or be forced to add a backdoor (Anom). Let's say I made an operating system that didn't spy on you, I'd be threatened with jail for that (GrapheneOS). And of course there are more things, for which there will be more consequences (mostly jail) but for things that haven't been done yet there are obviously no examples offhand.

Basically everything that fits outside of existing patterns is illegal one way or another. Only people who are naïve to these consequences will ever be motivated to make these things.

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Remembering back, I certainly lacked a lot of critical reasoning which could have led me to do possibly equally stupid stuff like this had I the skill in my early teens. As I remember it, life felt more like a "game" in that you do whatever it lets you, without much consideration of whether people will be (potentially very) upset with what you've done. In person activities stood high risk of getting caught, but onlin…

With their skills and nowhere to go, they will be doing this for the government.

I doubt it, these kids are never getting clearance.

I expect to find them at an MSP with a firm equal opportunities policy.

Re: Teen hackers who live streamed cyber-attack on TfL jailed

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Remembering back, I certainly lacked a lot of critical reasoning which could have led me to do possibly equally stupid stuff like this had I the skill in my early teens. As I remember it, life felt more like a "game" in that you do whatever it lets you, without much consideration of whether people will be (potentially very) upset with what you've done. In person activities stood high risk of getting caught, but onlin…

You used to do computer science for world of warcraft?! Sounds cool!

no they did Content Sharing for Weekend on Wednesdays
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