lmao i can pay them to steal my ideas and code
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DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May
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Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
No because China can only do so much to me as someone who doesn't live there and never will. It's the same reason why I prefer vpns that are owned by countries outside my own.
Unless you're very careful, it's trivial to have my secrets to be sent to the LLM. If it reads your .env just to see the variable names, the secrets have been sent to the servers. Now - they probably don't care about you and your secrets - but it makes me more uncomfortable that they have them. This is true of anthropic or openai - but for some reason I think the us govt or anyone else will have a harder time getting…
> but for some reason I think the us govt or anyone else will have a harder time getting to my data from them than the CCP will any chinese company
With what we know about the US government's mass surveillance in cooperation with tech giants, I would highly doubt that either country is "better" in this regard
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May
#83I find it hard to understand why nobody in this thread considers that the current pricing might still be below cost. The discount was supposed to end on May 5, and then shortly after that they extended it to May 31. They clearly made a judgment call there, rather than treating it as a desperate loss-leader. If you have actually used DeepSeek, you would notice that the cache-hit rate is extremely high, and the cache i…
DeepSeek's KV cache is tiny compared to other open weight models. This actually makes very large inference batches viable even on consumer hardware, even when resorting to SSD offload for weights. Once support is added to the main inference frameworks, it should be an absolute game changer for SOTA local inference.
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May
#84Per 1M tokens (input cache hit / input cache miss / output) v4-pro (75% off): $0.003625 / $0.435 / $0.87 v4-pro (regular): $0.0145 / $1.74 / $3.48 v4-flash: $0.0028 / $0.14 / $0.28 that is damn cheap.
You are the product. The book is called "So long, and thanks for all the secrets"
There is not a single LLM provider I trust enough to send secrets to. If you firewall accordingly the provider (or local) can be interchangable, barring capability differences of course.
I also struggle to find a provider that can credibly convince me I wouldn't be a product for when using. Have you found one?
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only moat is the us trying to buy all the compute hardware in the world for the next two years. Then China, amd, etc are just making their own chips.
DeepSeek claims that they can run inference on Huawei chips. Not sure about training.
If not now then definitely soon enough
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May
#86What coding agent(ideally CLI) have people found works well with this? Occasionally I go and try different agents with openrouter models, but nothing seems to really get close to the proprietary ones like claude-code.
As sibling said, Pi is great, and you can absolutely run it directly (there's even a plugin to use itself as a sub agent), but I mainly run it as a sub agent from other harnesses, for example running a more capable model in copilot, and then delegating simpler chunks to pi (using a cheaper model) as the sub agent. I've tried gas town and some others but never got into that way of working. I'm going to try opencode though as a less vendor specific harness than copilot/claude/gemini.
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
There isn't too little demand. There is massive demand and many competing companies trying to capture that demand, so they are attempting to make better offers than their competition. Hence subsidy.
That, and: - Every competitor is planning for the demand to be much higher in a few years than it is now, and aiming to capture as much of that as they can, which starts by getting companies hooked on their models now - The data center capacity will get used no matter who captures the most demand
I can somewhat understand companies getting users depentant on their harnesses or workflow, but model vendors as in this deepseek case, I have absolutely 0 model loyalty when it's a simple config change away, and will always optimize for either capability or price (or whatever !/$ metric you can determine).
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
That, and: - Every competitor is planning for the demand to be much higher in a few years than it is now, and aiming to capture as much of that as they can, which starts by getting companies hooked on their models now - The data center capacity will get used no matter who captures the most demand
I can somewhat understand companies getting users depentant on their harnesses or workflow, but model vendors as in this deepseek case, I have absolutely 0 model loyalty when it's a simple config change away, and will always optimize for either capability or price (or whatever !/$ metric you can determine).
Depends what you’re doing. For example, Gemini is somehow still your only option if you need a model that can natively understand video and reference timestamps in its response.
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May
#89What coding agent(ideally CLI) have people found works well with this? Occasionally I go and try different agents with openrouter models, but nothing seems to really get close to the proprietary ones like claude-code.
As sibling said, Pi is great, and you can absolutely run it directly (there's even a plugin to use itself as a sub agent), but I mainly run it as a sub agent from other harnesses, for example running a more capable model in copilot, and then delegating simpler chunks to pi (using a cheaper model) as the sub agent. I've tried gas town and some others but never got into that way of working. I'm going to try opencode th…
I've been using OpenCode for a few days now, I like it. It doesn't feel any "less heavy" than Claude Code (they're both massive piles of vibe-coded typescript) but for me it's essentially a 1:1 replacement for Claude Code.
Sidenote, I've been trying deepseek-v4-flash and I'm blown away. It's no Opus, but it's as cheap as tap water and punches far above its weight as a Flash model. I keep throwing tasks at it out of curiosity and it keeps solving them.
Re: DeepSeek V4 Pro at 75% off until 31 May
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can somewhat understand companies getting users depentant on their harnesses or workflow, but model vendors as in this deepseek case, I have absolutely 0 model loyalty when it's a simple config change away, and will always optimize for either capability or price (or whatever !/$ metric you can determine).
Depends what you’re doing. For example, Gemini is somehow still your only option if you need a model that can natively understand video and reference timestamps in its response.
You're right, of course, but I would qualify this under "optimize for capability".