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Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by mlitwiniuk »

baq wrote: post #68
mlitwiniuk wrote: post #55

This is a perfect example of how quickly you can burn through trust that took a long time to earn. I used to be - in my small circle of friends and peers - a genuine advocate for Anthropic and Claude. It was my sole AI assistant for over a year. But somewhere around February/March, something shifted. Declining quality, policy changes, inconsistent output. Nothing dramatic, just... a slow erosion. That erosion pushed…

Enshittification 101, codex is undergoing the same thing on a 3 month lag.

Haha, thanks for the heads-up

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by sitkack »

notarobot123 wrote: post #47
victorbjorklund wrote: post #43

Anthropic is really trying to burn all that goodwill they worked up by raising prices, reducing limits and making it impossible to know what the actual policies are.

Boiling the frog is an art form. You've got to know when to turn up the heat and when to let it simmer.

Hormussy started it.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by the_mitsuhiko »

hboon wrote: post #11
tommica wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left anthropic a while ago because of the similar shenanigans they had earlier. I went with opencode & zen. I still have their subscription, but am using pi now, mainly because something happened that made my opencode sessions unusable (cannot continue them, just blanks out, I assume something in the sqlite is fucked), and I cannot be bothered to debug it. For what I use the agents, the Chinese models are enough

Doesn't using pi be against their terms of use about having to go through Claude Code cli for all Max plan usage? (I had use Droid with Max previously, it was a great combo).

It's unclear right now. The current stance is that using pi or other coding harnesses eats into extra usage and that is the behavior one sees today. We have added a hint to pi now that warns you when you use an anthropic sub.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by sitkack »

walthamstow wrote: post #46
redrove wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been using Codex Pro since they lobotomized Opus 4.6. Codex is so much better, GPT 5.4 xhigh fast is definitely the smartest and fastest model available. For a while there I had both Opus 4.6 and Codex access and I frequently pitted them against each other, I never once saw Opus come out ahead. Opus was good as a reviewer though, but as an implementer it just felt lazy compared to 5.4 xhigh. One feature that I h…

I also made the switch to OpenAI, the $20 plan, I dunno about "so much better" but it's more or less the same, which is great! The models and tools levelling out is great for users because the cost of switching is basically nil. I'm reading people ITT saying they signed up for a year - big mistake. A year is a decade right now.

What issues did you consider about sending your code base to OpenAI?

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by bandrami »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #43

Anthropic is really trying to burn all that goodwill they worked up by raising prices, reducing limits and making it impossible to know what the actual policies are.

If you want LLMs to continue to be offered we have to get to a point where the providers are taking in more money than they are spending hosting them. And we still aren't there (or even close).

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by carefree-bob »

bandrami wrote: post #85
victorbjorklund wrote: post #43

Anthropic is really trying to burn all that goodwill they worked up by raising prices, reducing limits and making it impossible to know what the actual policies are.

If you want LLMs to continue to be offered we have to get to a point where the providers are taking in more money than they are spending hosting them. And we still aren't there (or even close).

I think this has to be done with technological advances that makes things cheaper, not charging more.

I understand why they have to charge more, but not many are gonna be able to afford even $100 a month, and that doesn't seem to be sufficient.

It has to come with some combination of better algorithms or better hardware.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by sitkack »

aqme28 wrote: post #70
GodelNumbering wrote: post #67

How about third party coding harnesses?

Or Claw-like harnesses that we make ourselves? It takes honestly like 15 minutes to roll your own, so I did it thinking "well, hopefully it's not considered third party"

I do claw like things all the time. Give CC an API document and it figures out how to take a snapshot of the data. Pulls it down and does an analysis.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by stingraycharles »

filleokus wrote: post #76
stingraycharles wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never heard of this, and cannot be reproduced, and is not according to Anthropic's ToS. And there's a lot of FUD being spread around. They don't ban Openclaw prompts, each custom LLM application provides a client application id (this is how e.g. Openrouter can tell you how popular Openclaw is, and which models are used the most). Anthropic just checks for that.

Either me or you are misunderstanding the situation. A comment from the GP link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633867 > This is slightly different from what OpenCode was banned from doing; they were a separate harness grabbing a user’s Claude Code session and pretending to be Claude Code. > OpenClaw was still using Claude Code as the harness (via claude -p)[0]. I understand why Anthropic is doing this (and t…

If Openclaw was still using Claude Code as the harness, I don't know how to reconcile that with "Openclaw is based on the pi framework", which is decidedly NOT claude code.

From what I understand, they still had the Claude Code harness available, but were mostly fully integrated on the pi agent framework, using Claude Code's oauth credentials directly,

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by hboon »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #83
hboon wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't using pi be against their terms of use about having to go through Claude Code cli for all Max plan usage? (I had use Droid with Max previously, it was a great combo).

It's unclear right now. The current stance is that using pi or other coding harnesses eats into extra usage and that is the behavior one sees today. We have added a hint to pi now that warns you when you use an anthropic sub.

Thanks for the great work.
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