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Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by makingstuffs »

Scotchy wrote: post #12
redrove wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been using Codex Pro since they lobotomized Opus 4.6. Codex is so much better, GPT 5.4 xhigh fast is definitely the smartest and fastest model available. For a while there I had both Opus 4.6 and Codex access and I frequently pitted them against each other, I never once saw Opus come out ahead. Opus was good as a reviewer though, but as an implementer it just felt lazy compared to 5.4 xhigh. One feature that I h…

Any alternative to Claude Design ? Tried Figma with Opus 4.6 but it doesn't come close in my experience. Codex is abysmal for UI design imo.

Have you tried stitch.withgoogle.com?

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by troupo »

Alifatisk wrote: post #28

> Anthropic staff told us OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again Anthropic staff have had contradictive statements in Twitter and have corrected each other. Their intent for clarifications lead to confusion. > OpenClaw treats Claude CLI reuse and claude -p usage as sanctioned for this integration unless Anthropic publishes a new policy. Oh cool, so everything is back to business now, until they all or sudde…

> until they all or sudden update their policy tomorrow that retracts everything.

Oh no. They won't update the policy. Boris or Thariq will casually mention in a random off-hand commebt on Twitter that this is banned now, and then will gaslight everyone that this has always been the case.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by baq »

sofixa wrote: post #58
baq wrote: post #51

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Would you please think of the shareholders

What shareholders, Anthropic is a money burning pit. Not to the same extent as OpenAI, but both will struggle hard to actually turn a profit some day, let alone make back the massive investments they've received. Not that they don't bring value, I'm just not convinced they'll be able to sell their products in a sticky enough way to make up the prices they'll have to extract to make up for the absurd costs.

$20B ARR or so reported added in Q1 doesn’t sound particularly bad, they’ll raise effective prices some more while Claude diffuses into the economy, sounds like a money printer. The issue is they’re compute constrained on the supply side to grow faster…

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by bruce511 »

sofixa wrote: post #58
baq wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you please think of the shareholders

What shareholders, Anthropic is a money burning pit. Not to the same extent as OpenAI, but both will struggle hard to actually turn a profit some day, let alone make back the massive investments they've received. Not that they don't bring value, I'm just not convinced they'll be able to sell their products in a sticky enough way to make up the prices they'll have to extract to make up for the absurd costs.

>> both will struggle hard to actually turn a profit some day, let alone make back the massive investments they've received.

I'd agree with you, except I've heard this argument before. Amazon, Google, Facebook all burned lots of cash, and folks were convinced they would fail.

On the other hand plenty burned cash and did fail. So could go either way.

I expect, once the market consolidates to 2 big engines, they'll make bonkers money. There will be winners and losers. But I can't tell you which is which yet.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by baq »

mlitwiniuk wrote: post #55

This is a perfect example of how quickly you can burn through trust that took a long time to earn. I used to be - in my small circle of friends and peers - a genuine advocate for Anthropic and Claude. It was my sole AI assistant for over a year. But somewhere around February/March, something shifted. Declining quality, policy changes, inconsistent output. Nothing dramatic, just... a slow erosion. That erosion pushed…

Enshittification 101, codex is undergoing the same thing on a 3 month lag.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Post by redrove »

walthamstow wrote: post #46
redrove wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve been using Codex Pro since they lobotomized Opus 4.6. Codex is so much better, GPT 5.4 xhigh fast is definitely the smartest and fastest model available. For a while there I had both Opus 4.6 and Codex access and I frequently pitted them against each other, I never once saw Opus come out ahead. Opus was good as a reviewer though, but as an implementer it just felt lazy compared to 5.4 xhigh. One feature that I h…

I also made the switch to OpenAI, the $20 plan, I dunno about "so much better" but it's more or less the same, which is great! The models and tools levelling out is great for users because the cost of switching is basically nil. I'm reading people ITT saying they signed up for a year - big mistake. A year is a decade right now.

I underscored using xhigh + fast mode when saying it’s so much better.

Now with Opus 4.7 of course the “burden” of adjusting reasoning effort has been taken away from you even at the API level.

In my experience people don’t change the thinking level at all.

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