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Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What shareholders, Anthropic is a money burning pit. Not to the same extent as OpenAI, but both will struggle hard to actually turn a profit some day, let alone make back the massive investments they've received. Not that they don't bring value, I'm just not convinced they'll be able to sell their products in a sticky enough way to make up the prices they'll have to extract to make up for the absurd costs.

$20B ARR or so reported added in Q1 doesn’t sound particularly bad, they’ll raise effective prices some more while Claude diffuses into the economy, sounds like a money printer. The issue is they’re compute constrained on the supply side to grow faster…

> $20B ARR or so reported added in Q1 doesn’t sound particularly bad

Unless you compare with the reported cash burn or projected losses.

> they’ll raise effective prices some more while Claude diffuses into the economy, sounds like a money printer

But the problem is, they have no moat. Even if Claude diffuses into the economy (still to be seen how much it can effectively penetrate sectors other than engineering, spam, marketing/communications), there is no moat, all providers are interchangeable. If Antrhopic raise the prices too much, switch out to the OpenAI equivalent products.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Looks like this was restored 2 weeks ago[0], 3 days after Anthropic said OpenClaw requires extra usage[1]. At this point, it's hard to take this seriously. No official statement and not even a tweet? [0]: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/commit/d378a504ac17eab2... [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633396

No, it's just that it's confusing, because there are two ways of using Claude Code credentials: 1. Take the oauth credentials and roll your own agent -- this is NOT allowed 2. Run your agentic application directly in Claude Code -- this IS allowed When OpenClaw says "Open-Claw style CLI usage", it means literally running OpenClaw in an official Claude Code session. Anthropic has no problems with this, this is complia…

But... Even when running it in mode 2 ("claude -p") they at certain points tried to detect OpenClaw-usage based prompts made, and blocked them [0]. Now OpenClaw says that Antrophic sanctions this as allowable again.

I agree with GP that this is hard to take seriously.

[0]: https://x.com/steipete/status/2040811558427648357

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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> Anthropic staff told us OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again Anthropic staff have had contradictive statements in Twitter and have corrected each other. Their intent for clarifications lead to confusion. > OpenClaw treats Claude CLI reuse and claude -p usage as sanctioned for this integration unless Anthropic publishes a new policy. Oh cool, so everything is back to business now, until they all or sudde…

This is such a strange way for this to be announced. Why is openclaw telling us this? I wouldn't even trust it until Anthropic says so themselves.

They had this on here since day 1 of the block. This is just Openclaw saying "if you run Openclaw inside Claude Code, it's compliant with the Anthropic ToS", because, well, it's literally running inside Claude Code.

What's not allowed is grabbing the oauth tokens and using these for your own custom agent, which is what was (and still is) banned.

Nothing has changed, this appears to just be a giant misunderstanding (and probably a poor choice of words from Openclaw).

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's just that it's confusing, because there are two ways of using Claude Code credentials: 1. Take the oauth credentials and roll your own agent -- this is NOT allowed 2. Run your agentic application directly in Claude Code -- this IS allowed When OpenClaw says "Open-Claw style CLI usage", it means literally running OpenClaw in an official Claude Code session. Anthropic has no problems with this, this is complia…

But... Even when running it in mode 2 ("claude -p") they at certain points tried to detect OpenClaw-usage based prompts made, and blocked them [0]. Now OpenClaw says that Antrophic sanctions this as allowable again. I agree with GP that this is hard to take seriously. [0]: https://x.com/steipete/status/2040811558427648357

I have never heard of this, and cannot be reproduced, and is not according to Anthropic's ToS. And there's a lot of FUD being spread around.

They don't ban Openclaw prompts, each custom LLM application provides a client application id (this is how e.g. Openrouter can tell you how popular Openclaw is, and which models are used the most).

Anthropic just checks for that.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Oh that's interesting. Right after they signed the deal with Amazon so maybe it was all compute constrained. In any case, I tried using the Codex $20/mo plan and the limits are so low I can hardly get anywhere before my agent swaps to a different agent. Somewhat suspicious that if I do this without an official Anthropic notice I'll lose my precious Max $200/mo account so I'll sit tight perhaps for a while.

Consider Z.ai if you need "bulk" usage, GLM is now very good. They still have the occasional API brown out however.

I used to use GLM mostly and had a Claude Pro subscription for occasional review and clean up.

Now I just use GLM.

I do think Claude Max is value for money. But it's more value than I personally need and I like Anthropic less and less.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But... Even when running it in mode 2 ("claude -p") they at certain points tried to detect OpenClaw-usage based prompts made, and blocked them [0]. Now OpenClaw says that Antrophic sanctions this as allowable again. I agree with GP that this is hard to take seriously. [0]: https://x.com/steipete/status/2040811558427648357

I have never heard of this, and cannot be reproduced, and is not according to Anthropic's ToS. And there's a lot of FUD being spread around. They don't ban Openclaw prompts, each custom LLM application provides a client application id (this is how e.g. Openrouter can tell you how popular Openclaw is, and which models are used the most). Anthropic just checks for that.

Either me or you are misunderstanding the situation. A comment from the GP link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633867

> This is slightly different from what OpenCode was banned from doing; they were a separate harness grabbing a user’s Claude Code session and pretending to be Claude Code.

> OpenClaw was still using Claude Code as the harness (via claude -p)[0]. I understand why Anthropic is doing this (and they’ve made it clear that building products around claude -p is disallowed) but I fear Conductor will be next.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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> Anthropic staff told us OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again Anthropic staff have had contradictive statements in Twitter and have corrected each other. Their intent for clarifications lead to confusion. > OpenClaw treats Claude CLI reuse and claude -p usage as sanctioned for this integration unless Anthropic publishes a new policy. Oh cool, so everything is back to business now, until they all or sudde…

This is such a strange way for this to be announced. Why is openclaw telling us this? I wouldn't even trust it until Anthropic says so themselves.

That's the thing, it's not announced at all. The title is wrong.

It's just OpenClaw people claiming "Anthropic told us it's fine".

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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Anthropic is really trying to burn all that goodwill they worked up by raising prices, reducing limits and making it impossible to know what the actual policies are.

Aren't they just doing what Hacker News was trying to tell them to do? That AI is useful but not sure if sustainable. Now they're increasing prices and decreasing tokens and you guys are pissed off.

Re: Anthropic says OpenClaw-style Claude CLI usage is allowed again

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This is a perfect example of how quickly you can burn through trust that took a long time to earn. I used to be - in my small circle of friends and peers - a genuine advocate for Anthropic and Claude. It was my sole AI assistant for over a year. But somewhere around February/March, something shifted. Declining quality, policy changes, inconsistent output. Nothing dramatic, just... a slow erosion. That erosion pushed…

I'm trying out codex for first time as well cause something up with Claude for sure, 4.7 has been super frustrating. For other models, highly recommend trying MiniMax 2.7, using it with Hermes is actually pretty good, and their token subscription plans include a lot of usage for $10.

Perfect, thanks. Codex app sucks, but I've been exploring opencode for that. Will try MiniMax!
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