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Not true.
Sam Altman said it's true.
The guy who can't raise a kid without AI? I wouldn't trust his opinion on things like this.
Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
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Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
LLMs generate lots of security issues and bugs. Just being "Rust" doesn't automatically fix that. Generating that amount of code means no human review. How could this not end in obvious disaster?
humans generate a lot more security issues and a lot more bugs, how could humans coding not end in obvious disaster…
Do you have a study we can read and evaluate validity of it's methods?
If not, here, I can show you my opinion too!: No, what you said is completely false.
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
LLMs generate lots of security issues and bugs. Just being "Rust" doesn't automatically fix that. Generating that amount of code means no human review. How could this not end in obvious disaster?
humans generate a lot more security issues and a lot more bugs, how could humans coding not end in obvious disaster…
So AI is based on the insecure and buggy human code, but on top of that it can't think for itself? Definitely, in 2025.... 2027 it will be, coding, for us all.
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#84This whole thing is hilarious. In a time when some of Satya Nadella's chickens are coming home to roost and Windows being the most obvious example and most of their AI things quickly approaching too, it's good to laugh at their stupidity as a consolation prize. In the past Microsoft fucked up some many times but they had the absolute dominance of the market and a huge pool of talent and knowledgeable people capable o…
> Times have changed, many have retired or been layoff to give way for the next round of "cheap young" talent in the form of contract workers. A couple of quotes from the article above: "WebView2-based Microsoft Teams consistently uses 1-2GB of RAM while doing nothing. Microsoft likely doesn’t know how to make these web apps use fewer resources, so it’s instead moving Teams calling to a separate process to reduce cra…
Electron apps do are resource hogs, but that's not the reason teams is crap. Neither XAML the reason the Whatsapp app is good.
Developers focus on web because that's where the money is. Who would want to go down the Desktop road when it's less money and a dying field?
Similarly, IMO for making UIs, declarative is the way to go. A lot of these UI Desktop frameworks are procedural, which is a drag to write for UIs, and also, has many times less the size and support that, say, React, does.
Another thing is that hardware is always getting better. There is no incentive to increase performance if no one complains. A vocal minority of tech guys raving about how Electron apps are resource hogs don't dictamine what's performant and what's not.
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t understand this view point. How is anyone reading ‘way too much’ into the post based on what’s being discussed in this thread. A senior engineer leading a team at Microsoft saying that his goal is to rewrite/replace all C and C++ code with Rust using AI to facilitate the work is plainly saying what the comments in this thread are reacting to. No onenis reading into the statement, just plain reading. And even…
Microsoft has thousands of senior engineers and one of them engaging in this project and perhaps hiring a small handful of people does not equate to a large company-wide planned mandate.
He is not a senior engineer; he's a distinguished engineer. His pay package is comparable to a director's or VP's, so no he's not just one of thousands of senior engineers.
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
humans generate a lot more security issues and a lot more bugs, how could humans coding not end in obvious disaster…
Do you have a study we can read and evaluate validity of it's methods? If not, here, I can show you my opinion too!: No, what you said is completely false.
do you have a study we can read and evaluate validity of methods of millions of SWEs that write code? if not…?
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#87The original LinkedIn post is pretty wild. I wonder if he did a fat line of coke before writing that, or if it actually were any concrete plans that have been worked out.
| My goal ...
later
| ... our ...
I think Galen's goal to rewrite every bit of C/C++ was his goal, not Microsoft's.
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#88From the initial post: > My goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030. Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases From his follow-up: > It appears my post generated far more attention than I intended… with a lot of speculative reading between the lines.. Just to clarify… Windows is NOT being rewritten in Rust with AI. So either he doesn't think that…
My goal is for every line of C/C++ to be rewritten.
My goal. Not Microsoft's or SpaceX's or...
When Galen says "my goal is ..." I take that at face value but as aspirational.
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the least fun things about a hype bubble is that I legitimately can't tell when people are joking anymore.
You should have been able to tell it's sarcasm because I said "harness the power." This phrase is only used in conjunction with bullshit.
I agree it's mostly only used in conjunction with bullshit, but during a hype bubble a lot of the users of that phrase don't fully realize they're spouting bullshit, and it's used in earnest.
Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Times have changed, many have retired or been layoff to give way for the next round of "cheap young" talent in the form of contract workers. A couple of quotes from the article above: "WebView2-based Microsoft Teams consistently uses 1-2GB of RAM while doing nothing. Microsoft likely doesn’t know how to make these web apps use fewer resources, so it’s instead moving Teams calling to a separate process to reduce cra…
Electron apps do are resource hogs, but that's not the reason teams is crap. Neither XAML the reason the Whatsapp app is good. Developers focus on web because that's where the money is. Who would want to go down the Desktop road when it's less money and a dying field? Similarly, IMO for making UIs, declarative is the way to go. A lot of these UI Desktop frameworks are procedural, which is a drag to write for UIs, and…
> A vocal minority of tech guys raving about how Electron apps are resource hogs don't dictamine what's performant and what's not.
Because only tech guys have limited ram?