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Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by dralley »

j-o-m wrote: post #39
dralley wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah. It's only a sign that people read way too much into random speculative Linkedin posts.

I don’t understand this view point. How is anyone reading ‘way too much’ into the post based on what’s being discussed in this thread. A senior engineer leading a team at Microsoft saying that his goal is to rewrite/replace all C and C++ code with Rust using AI to facilitate the work is plainly saying what the comments in this thread are reacting to. No onenis reading into the statement, just plain reading. And even…

Microsoft has thousands of senior engineers and one of them engaging in this project and perhaps hiring a small handful of people does not equate to a large company-wide planned mandate.

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by preommr »

Tempest1981 wrote: post #4

> Our North Star is "1 engineer, 1 month, 1 million lines of code" Can someone explain this? Are they suggesting that (eventually) one engineer can produce 1 million lines of Rust code in a month? Or replace 1 million lines of C code? Using new "powerful code processing infrastructure"... but would it understand the semantics? Are those semantics clearly documented?

That line doesn't even make any sense. AI usage for a project is binary (either it requires a person, or it doesn't, there's no such thing where an AI is good for a team for a team of three but not a team of two). And we can already one-shot really complex applications in seconds/minutes. Why the hell would it take an entire month to generate one million lines of code?

It really just boils down to AI writing a million lines of code.

I actually think it can probably already do something like where there's a lot of boilerplate code.

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by PedroBatista »

This whole thing is hilarious.

In a time when some of Satya Nadella's chickens are coming home to roost and Windows being the most obvious example and most of their AI things quickly approaching too, it's good to laugh at their stupidity as a consolation prize.

In the past Microsoft fucked up some many times but they had the absolute dominance of the market and a huge pool of talent and knowledgeable people capable of making them try again and win. Times have changed, many have retired or been layoff to give way for the next round of "cheap young" talent in the form of contract workers.

Now they have the Cloud, I'm not so sure the Windows division can turn this turd around this time. Xbox has tangentially been the canary.

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by isodev »

hatefulheart wrote: post #37
checker659 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes it inevitable?

Good question, it’s not. You're responding to just another Rust and/or LLM fanatic claiming they can predict the future. Dime a dozen on this board.

Hey let’s not put the Rust fanatics in the same bucket as the LLM bros. One is a safe programming language, the other is an overgrown lorem ipsum text generator. We’re not the same :)

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by kyleee »

troglo-byte wrote: post #14

I think I would be more interested in Rust the language if Rust the PR sphere was not suggestive of certain all-powerful online influences that I've developed antibodies against. I'm not claiming that they're the same people that dig tunnels and launch satellites, just that my immune system is getting activated as if they were.

Just say what you mean

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by saghm »

From the initial post:

> My goal is to eliminate every line of C and C++ from Microsoft by 2030. Our strategy is to combine AI and Algorithms to rewrite Microsoft’s largest codebases

From his follow-up:

> It appears my post generated far more attention than I intended… with a lot of speculative reading between the lines.. Just to clarify… Windows is NOT being rewritten in Rust with AI.

So either he doesn't think that Windows is written in C/C++, it's not "from Microsoft", or he doesn't know what "reading between the lines" means, because those literally are the words he said. Sure, he also said "and algorithms", but I'd argue that inferring that to be a significant difference would require a lot more reading between the lines.

I guess he could also quibble that "eliminating every line of C and C++ from Microsoft" was supposed to mean new lines of code being written rather than existing ones, but that's both not the way most people would read it (if I said I wanted to eliminate all water from the planet, most people wouldn't think I meant I was eliminating rain but leaving the oceans alone) and a bit dubious from a technical perspective (since leaving the existing Windows codebase intact would make it pretty hard not to at least occasionally need to write a new line of code in the existing language).

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