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Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by hangonhn »

bandoti wrote: post #51
paxys wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's impossible to have "native" support for Linux containers on macOS, since the technology inherently relies on Linux kernel features. So I'm guessing this is Apple rolling out their own Linux virtualization layer (same as WSL). Probably still an improvement over the current mess, but if they just support LXC and not Docker then most devs will still need to install Docker Desktop like they do today.

What about macOS being derived from BSD? Isn’t that where containers came from: BSD jails? I know the container ecosystem largely targets Linux just curious what people’s thoughts are on that.

Conceptually similar but different implementations. Containers uses cgroups in Linux and there is also file system and network virtualization as well. It's not impossible but it would require quite a bit of work.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by daveidol »

codethief wrote: post #42

> New Design with Liquid Glass Looks like software UI design – just like fashion, film, architecture and many other fields I'm sure – has now officially entered the "nothing new under the sun" / "let's recycle ideas from xx years ago" stage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_%28user_interface%29 To be clear, this is just an observation, not a judgment of that change or the quality of the design by itself. I was gett…

To me it looks more like Windows Vista's "Aero" than OS X's "Aqua".

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by socalgal2 »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #62
jw1224 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that’s the one reason, have you considered just… not using the AI features?

I find it offensive to have any generative AI code on my computer.

I think I know what you meant. You mean you don't want code that runs generative AI in your computer? But, what you wrote could also mean you don't want any code running that was generated by AI. Even with open source, your computer will be running code generated by AI as most open source projects are using it. I suspect it will be nearly impossible to avoid. Most open source projects will accept AI generated code as long as it's been reviewed.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by dkdcio »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #62
jw1224 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that’s the one reason, have you considered just… not using the AI features?

I find it offensive to have any generative AI code on my computer.

I promise you there is Linux code that has been tab-completed with Copilot or similar, perhaps even before ChatGPT ever launched

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by vouaobrasil »

azinman2 wrote: post #77
vouaobrasil wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it offensive to have any generative AI code on my computer.

So, then don’t do that? It’s not like it’s automatically generating code without you asking.

I didn't say "generating code", I meant I find it offensive to have any code sitting on my computer that generates code, whether I use it or not. I prefer minimalism: just have on my computer what I will use, and I have a limited data connection which means even more updates with useless code I won't use.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by spike021 »

codethief wrote: post #42

> New Design with Liquid Glass Looks like software UI design – just like fashion, film, architecture and many other fields I'm sure – has now officially entered the "nothing new under the sun" / "let's recycle ideas from xx years ago" stage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_%28user_interface%29 To be clear, this is just an observation, not a judgment of that change or the quality of the design by itself. I was gett…

I’m usually on board with Apple UI changes but something about all the examples they showed today just looked really cheap.

My only guess is this style looks better while using the product but not while looking at screenshots or demos built off Illustrator or whatever they’re using.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by olyjohn »

catoc wrote: post #37
amluto wrote: post #4

> This year, App Intents gains support for visual intelligence. This enables apps to provide visual search results within the visual intelligence experience, allowing users to go directly into the app from those results. How about starting with reliably, deterministically, and instantly (say installed apps when searching by a prefix of their name ? As a second criterion, I would like to find files by substrings of th…

“How about starting with reliably, deterministically, and instantly (say searching by a prefix of their name? As a second criterion, I would like to find files by substrings of their name” Even I can, and have, build search functionality like this. Deterministically. No LLMs or “AI” needed. In fact for satisfying the above criteria this kind of implementation is still far more reliable.

Quicksilver worked great back in the day before Spotlight was ever even a thought.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

echelon wrote: post #57
vouaobrasil wrote: post #39

Apple's integration of AI into its MacOS is the one reason why I am considering a switch back to Linux after my current laptop dies.

This reads like the crotchety and persnickety 60-somethings in the 1990's who said the internet was a passing and annoying fad.

Actually, most "AI" cults blindly worship at their own ignorance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV7C6Ezl35A

The ML hype-cycle has happened before... but this time everyone is adding more complexity to obfuscate the BS. There is also a funny callback to YC in the Lisp story, and why your karma still gets incinerated if one points out its obvious limitations in a thread.

Have a wonderful day, =3

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by watermelon0 »

tensor wrote: post #36
paxys wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's impossible to have "native" support for Linux containers on macOS, since the technology inherently relies on Linux kernel features. So I'm guessing this is Apple rolling out their own Linux virtualization layer (same as WSL). Probably still an improvement over the current mess, but if they just support LXC and not Docker then most devs will still need to install Docker Desktop like they do today.

Apple has had a native hypervisor for some time now. This is probably a baked in clone of something like https://mac.getutm.app/ which provides the stuff on top of the hypervisor.

Using a hypervisor means just running a Linux VM, like WSL2 does on Windows. There is nothing native about it.

Native Linux (and Docker) support would be something like WSL1, where Windows kernel implemented Linux syscalls.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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Post by vouaobrasil »

socalgal2 wrote: post #83
vouaobrasil wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it offensive to have any generative AI code on my computer.

I think I know what you meant. You mean you don't want code that runs generative AI in your computer? But, what you wrote could also mean you don't want any code running that was generated by AI. Even with open source, your computer will be running code generated by AI as most open source projects are using it. I suspect it will be nearly impossible to avoid. Most open source projects will accept AI generated code as…

Good point, and you were right. I was ambiguous. I meant a system that generates stuff, not stuff that was generated by AI. But I'd rather not use stuff that was generated by AI, either. But you are also right. That will become impossible, and probably already is. Not a very nice world, I think. Best thing to do then is to minimize it, and avoid computers as much as possible....
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