Playing right into Putin's hands.
trump is _in_ putin's hands.
US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s
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#82People commenting here keep speaking as though Americans all decided to do this. Trump didn't even win the majority of votes of those who voted. And those who voted for him had only the most nebulous idea of what doing this would mean. It meant something like "Those people who never treated us with respect will get what's coming. If they don't love us they will fear us." This happens all the time. "Russia did X." "Th…
> Trump didn't even win the majority of votes of those who voted.
he did win the popular vote this time, unlike last.
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NATO has never been a threat to Russia. Under what scenario are all the governments of NATO countries convinced to attack Russia? Also Finland just joined and Russia barley registered a complaint.
>NATO has never been a threat to Russia
This is a very naive take, I think. When you are responsible for the security of a nation, you can't just remain passive to the potential threats that shows up on your doorstep. I mean, it would be irresponsible his people if Putin did that and trusted NATO/US blindly to not cross the line, one way or another. (I mean, US could always make up some cooked up justification for the attack, like it has done so many times in the past), So if US is putting missiles near Russian border, even if that is on behalf of NATO, I think Putin is bound to do something about it..
I don't understand what part of that is "Russian propoganda"..
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#84I genuinely wish there was an understandable endgame for the USA. The USA seems to be throwing its weight around but I’m not entirely sure to what end. This headline/article is just one area where the US is behaving perplexingly. I understand that Trump wants Zelenskyy to sign the minerals deal and that implicitly there’s security guarantees. Fine there’s at least a through line. However; by demonstrating that the US…
What would you do if you were a team of US oligarchs with connections to the administration and wanted to increase your share of, and power over, the domestic cake? Tell me it doesn't fit. Edit: this story just dropped off the main page. Currently sitting at 85 points and 77 comments. It had position 2 or so, now it has position 79.
Suspicious that it’s not on the front page.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
What would you do if you were a team of US oligarchs with connections to the administration and wanted to increase your share of, and power over, the domestic cake? Tell me it doesn't fit. Edit: this story just dropped off the main page. Currently sitting at 85 points and 77 comments. It had position 2 or so, now it has position 79.
Suspicious that it’s not on the front page.
Edit: no disagreement or flagging, just poof, gone. Likely someone knows how to make unwanted conversations go away on platforms like HN.
Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s
#86People commenting here keep speaking as though Americans all decided to do this. Trump didn't even win the majority of votes of those who voted. And those who voted for him had only the most nebulous idea of what doing this would mean. It meant something like "Those people who never treated us with respect will get what's coming. If they don't love us they will fear us." This happens all the time. "Russia did X." "Th…
> Trump didn't even win the majority of votes of those who voted. he did win the popular vote this time, unlike last.
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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s
#87People commenting here keep speaking as though Americans all decided to do this. Trump didn't even win the majority of votes of those who voted. And those who voted for him had only the most nebulous idea of what doing this would mean. It meant something like "Those people who never treated us with respect will get what's coming. If they don't love us they will fear us." This happens all the time. "Russia did X." "Th…
> Trump didn't even win the majority of votes of those who voted. he did win the popular vote this time, unlike last.
Still below 50% (49% something) so technically not majority but plurality.
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOkl2XgZlw0
So here Putin says he had no choice but to attack Ukraine because NATO (a defensive treaty) was "expanding" into Ukraine. This is false. Ukraine wanted to be in NATO, but its membership request was rejected. And from the start of the war in 2014, it was never on the table - how would a country in a state of war could even dream of joining NATO (which at the time seemed a stable alliance)?
I know some Russians believe in this explanation, it seems very simple: Russia is not setting up nukes in Cuba so from the same PoV Ukraine should not host missiles hostile to Russia. Seems valid, right? The problem here is that Putin, as he admitted in his retracted victory piece[0], wanted to "solve the Ukrainian problem for the future generations" and basically make Ukraine part of his empire just as he did with Belarus. Ukrainians don't want to be his slaves so they chose to fight.
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#89Trump is really a disgusting human being. I'm not a US citizen but this looks an awful lot like treason -- he is actively helping an enemy of the state.
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So Russia invaded Chechnya and is now using Chechens to invade Ukraine.
You suggest that Russia takes Ukraine, then uses Ukrainians to invade Moldova?
That is what you are suggesting, right?
Also, my programmers keyboard gives me a very nice peaceful wage. A wage that I partly use to support the Ukrainian defence forces. I suggest everyone to the same: https://savelife.in.ua/en/.
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#90Time for us in Europe to man up.
I'm sceptical. Recent movements in Germany point into the opposite direction or rather a continuation of wishful thinking. Yes, a lot of debt-funded defence investment is coming. They also promised some investment in "infrastructure". At the same time the debt increase will delay reforms that are overdue for 20 years and longer. There were already calls that, now, with all brakes off, we can increase rather than curb spending on the welfare state. As it currently looks, the productivity gap with the US and Asia will widen rather than shrink. A very disappointing development to say the least.