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US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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How can you even begin to hold a fair election when about 20% of your nation is occupied by a foreign power?

Don’t forget holding an election during wartime is against the constitution of Ukraine. Also, even the opposition is against it.

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> end the war Why is it that Ukraine needs to end the war but not Russia?

The Russian army can decide to leave and go to their side of the border at any time. It's more complicated than that (war crimes, reparations, all the people that have been abducted) but I still wonder why this is not being discussed at more often - it is totally clear who is the agressor here.

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How can you even begin to hold a fair election when about 20% of your nation is occupied by a foreign power?

Beside the fact that it isn't practical, they would need to amend their constitution before they could hold an election during wartime. This is all also ignoring the question begging that the original poster was engaged in with the assumption that holding an election would end the war.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Right now every buyer of American kit is feverishly evaluating non-US alternatives. Seriously, America, this is like Brexit but 1000x. A voluntary decision, taken with gusto, to chop off arms and legs and ears and fingers and whatnot, cut off the deadwood, be light and free, a lone vessel on the ocean of prosperity, free of the burden of the stupid foreigners who are the sole reason why everything was going wrong.

Especially F-35 where lack of American support means total brick. Hey, at least Ukraine can use their S-300 systems and Sukhois against their maker.

This is top of mind for all European countries that bought the F-35. They are painfully aware of this. So is the US defense industry which will notice softening sales kicking in a few years down the line as European countries are less inclined to buy US arms.

This was predictable though. The markets have already rewarded those who saw this coming.

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How can you even begin to hold a fair election when about 20% of your nation is occupied by a foreign power?

Theoretically, if you exclude the occupied parts from voting, you'd ensure no Yanukovich-like candidate winning.

On the other hand, Trump can always move the goalpost ("Election not held in eastern Oblasts == Sham elections") or even reinforce the view that the eastern oblasts are de facto not part of the Ukrainian state anymore.

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Especially F-35 where lack of American support means total brick. Hey, at least Ukraine can use their S-300 systems and Sukhois against their maker.

This is top of mind for all European countries that bought the F-35. They are painfully aware of this. So is the US defense industry which will notice softening sales kicking in a few years down the line as European countries are less inclined to buy US arms. This was predictable though. The markets have already rewarded those who saw this coming.

But if the EU has no 5th gen fighters then they'd have a hard time maintaining Air Superiority against Russia if they manage to mass produce Su-57 or Su-75 and I am betting the Russian can do it before EU can have 5th gen fighters or FCAS.

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Donald Trump really should leave his fragile ego at the door and continue to support the USA's allies at this time. People forget that it was Zelensky refusing to lie which led to Trumps first impeachment.

At the very least this entire 180 and the attempt to humiliate Zelensky in the White House is Trump wanting to enact some kind of revenge.

At the very worst him praising Putin, threatening to leave Nato, threatening other allies, moving troops out of Germany and into Hungary, et all just reeks of something more.. conspiracy theory or not it's pretty disgusting as someone looking in from the outside.

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How can you even begin to hold a fair election when about 20% of your nation is occupied by a foreign power?

Beside the fact that it isn't practical, they would need to amend their constitution before they could hold an election during wartime. This is all also ignoring the question begging that the original poster was engaged in with the assumption that holding an election would end the war.

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