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US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by actionfromafar »

sovietmudkipz wrote: post #39

I genuinely wish there was an understandable endgame for the USA. The USA seems to be throwing its weight around but I’m not entirely sure to what end. This headline/article is just one area where the US is behaving perplexingly. I understand that Trump wants Zelenskyy to sign the minerals deal and that implicitly there’s security guarantees. Fine there’s at least a through line. However; by demonstrating that the US…

What would you do if you were a team of US oligarchs with connections to the administration and wanted to increase your share of, and power over, the domestic cake?

Tell me it doesn't fit.

Edit: this story just dropped off the main page. Currently sitting at 85 points and 77 comments. It had position 2 or so, now it has position 79.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by dividedbyzero »

Today it's Ukraine and F35s, who and what will it be in a year? I suppose European governments are taking a long hard look at strategic dependencies on the US right now, like the whole economy running on top of Microsoft and Google and other US-made SaaS. If all of that went dark at once, I honestly don't know how some of the larger companies I know could keep operating. They all have fallbacks for critical infrastructure obviously but those are US-made, too...

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by postingawayonhn »

sovietmudkipz wrote: post #39

I genuinely wish there was an understandable endgame for the USA. The USA seems to be throwing its weight around but I’m not entirely sure to what end. This headline/article is just one area where the US is behaving perplexingly. I understand that Trump wants Zelenskyy to sign the minerals deal and that implicitly there’s security guarantees. Fine there’s at least a through line. However; by demonstrating that the US…

NATO as has existed is already over. Nobody has any faith that the US will follow through on its Article 5 obligations.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by Chance-Device »

apeescape wrote: post #41
michelb wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not for a second believe Trump thinks this all up himself. I'm not one for conspiracies, but I'm wondering how large the group using him as a mouthpiece really is.

That's the thing. Trump's actions make no sense unless you view them through the lens that he's driving the agenda of Putin. Then again, even if a global nuclear war broke out, some of his loyalists would still be convinced that Trump is playing some sort of 3D chess and that it's all going according to his masterful plan.

I used to think this, but now I think something different - isn’t Russia a useful domestic and geopolitical tool? Perhaps the US does not want for Russia either to be too weak or too strong, perhaps they simply want them to be useful.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by postingawayonhn »

fellow_eng_25 wrote: post #53
azalemeth wrote: post #38

Trump is really a disgusting human being. I'm not a US citizen but this looks an awful lot like treason -- he is actively helping an enemy of the state.

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This is an open forum. Put forward your solution to the war so it can be discussed.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by ratatoskrt »

sovietmudkipz wrote: post #39

I genuinely wish there was an understandable endgame for the USA. The USA seems to be throwing its weight around but I’m not entirely sure to what end. This headline/article is just one area where the US is behaving perplexingly. I understand that Trump wants Zelenskyy to sign the minerals deal and that implicitly there’s security guarantees. Fine there’s at least a through line. However; by demonstrating that the US…

I think it boils down to the fact that Trump does not understand soft power. Slashing the most powerful and influential aid programme in the world shows that very clearly. The US is as rich as it is because they created an environment of stability (at least on their own territory) and ensuring that there are markets American companies can sell into.

Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by sras-me »

jameskilton wrote: post #40
k1kingy wrote: post #18

Donald Trump really should leave his fragile ego at the door and continue to support the USA's allies at this time. People forget that it was Zelensky refusing to lie which led to Trumps first impeachment. At the very least this entire 180 and the attempt to humiliate Zelensky in the White House is Trump wanting to enact some kind of revenge. At the very worst him praising Putin, threatening to leave Nato, threatenin…

Trump doesn't care about anyone but himself. The only reason he ran for president again (a job he absolutely hated the first time around) was so he would stay out of jail for the myriad of crimes he committed. Now that he actually got reelected (us Americans can be incredibly dumb) he's doing everything he can to punish everyone he deems was "out to get him". Also he adores Putin and Xi and is doing what he can to be…

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Re: US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

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Post by peepeepoopoo113 »

k1kingy wrote: post #49
peepeepoopoo113 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Gonna need you to provide some sources on the 'ties to the Ukrainian government' there mate. I don't think there's any doubt that he spent time in Kyiv and posted videos encouraging people to join the foreign legion and help the fight. But as far as I'm reading there isn't any indication that he had ties to the government outside of some Russian news outlets blaming Ukraine for the assassination attempt.

Here, let me Grok that for you: https://x.com/i/grok/share/Y9d3rXe6BoZXipcMyaxe9Lx5D

The guy was actively recruiting for the Ukrainian armed forces.

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