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The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by dagw »

pvdoom wrote: post #80
mycologos wrote: post #78

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Denmark values cultural homogeneity enough to mandate that children over the age of one in high-immigrant areas formally designated as ghettoes attend 25 hours per week of public daycare including instruction in "democracy, equality and major Danish holidays such as Christmas" under the threat of losing government benefits [1]. By western standards, this strikes me as a strong commitment to cultural homogeneity. [1]…

Nah, thats not Denmark, thats a particular racist government

Voted in by the Danish people.

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by tossandthrow »

incomingpain wrote: post #39

I've heard this a few times before. Admittedly I'm not that familiar with Denmark. Lets check out the livability. GDP is okish; has signs of foreign influence or some sort of financial crisis. 2.5% unemployment is fantastic. 75% participation and steadily climbing, elderly going back to work? https://www.populationpyramid.net/denmark/2020/ Wow, only 5 million people? Toronto has more people. Though yes elderly going…

You mention the elderly a couple of times:

1. Pension ag is currently 69 with a renegotiation to raise it to 73 coming up. 2. Schemes has been installed to allow retired people to keep their public pensions while working.

In essence: Nobody are being forced into the labor market, but a lot of pensioners are choosing to + retirement age is increasing.

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by snowpid »

mycologos wrote: post #78
snowpid wrote: post #12

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Denmark is not culturally homogenous and it wasnt histocally.

Denmark values cultural homogeneity enough to mandate that children over the age of one in high-immigrant areas formally designated as ghettoes attend 25 hours per week of public daycare including instruction in "democracy, equality and major Danish holidays such as Christmas" under the threat of losing government benefits [1]. By western standards, this strikes me as a strong commitment to cultural homogeneity. [1]…

Let me introduce into the concept of the national minority of Germans and also Jews live in Danmark. (Both aren't typical Danish culture). Do you know the concept of national minorities?

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by bilbo0s »

bglazer wrote: post #76
bilbo0s wrote: post #37

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That's just another dimension of the problem. But let's be honest here, there are a lot of child snatches in the US. About 150 to 160 new reports yearly per 100000 kids. By comparison, Denmark annually reports between 50 to 75 new missing child cases per 100000 children. (And even that obscures the starkness of the difference. Because in Denmark, they count children abducted to another country by a parent as a missin…

Isn’t the same true of familial versus stranger abductions in the US? Like the vast majority are familial, correct?

If a parent takes them internationally, that goes into a different bucket in the FBI stats. (Maybe because of the convention? Since those get special handling.)

But if a parent takes them and they stay in the US, they will count as child abductions. Domestic family abduction is about 4.5% of the total in the US. Not the majority, but they do get the focus. What I mean by that is that if you look at Amber Alerts, about 58% are evoked by family abductions. So that's a huge asymmetry. 58% of Amber Alerts, but only 4.5% of missing kids. I think in the case of family abduction maybe you know about the abduction faster? So you report it faster? Not sure. I just always thought that was a huge asymmetry.

EDIT:

I just realized I didn't directly answer your question.

No. The majority are not familial.

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by snowpid »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #63
snowpid wrote: post #47

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Home schooling is linked to religious extremism

If one was affected by the 80’s news cycle, it will seem that way in one’s head.

aha. Which assumption do you have about me ? Which 80s news cycle? Where?

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by tossandthrow »

pvdoom wrote: post #79
incomingpain wrote: post #39

I've heard this a few times before. Admittedly I'm not that familiar with Denmark. Lets check out the livability. GDP is okish; has signs of foreign influence or some sort of financial crisis. 2.5% unemployment is fantastic. 75% participation and steadily climbing, elderly going back to work? https://www.populationpyramid.net/denmark/2020/ Wow, only 5 million people? Toronto has more people. Though yes elderly going…

> 55% personal income tax rate? That's not really correct. It is more like 36%. And also it is more complicated than that, as the more you earn the higher it gets, but it's roughly around 36%. The 55% is for example for secondary incomes, etc. what we call a B-kord

Yes, 55% is the top of the tax progression.

People on B-kort still get their deductions (Just paid back after the fiscal year is done).

You pay the 55% on:

1. salary earned on the top of the progressions hierarchy

2. When you work anonymously (Ie. you need a CPR number to get you deductions)

At a salary of ~150k USD (DKK 1m) you would pay 40% in tax - not too far away from NY or SF.

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by spython »

wearen0tsame wrote: post #41
spython wrote: post #32

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Why would that be considered a flaw? The rationale behind it is the same as behind the inability to name your child XAe or any random assortment of letters – to not make the future difficult for your child, even if you as a parent might want it. It is also one of the last tools that prevents parallel societies from forming. Not that German schools are ideal - they are a bit stuck in the past - but the common experien…

Because my children are likely going to have ADHD like I do, and public schools are hell for us. When I was a child I cried every day, hated my parents and didn't understand what did I do that I deserved to be forced into that prison. I am not going to put my children through that. I don't care about your social engineering goals, I care about happy childhood for my children.

You might consider alternative schools like Waldorf or Montessori for your kids. It's not like there is only one kind of school available.

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by wearen0tsame »

spython wrote: post #87
wearen0tsame wrote: post #41

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Because my children are likely going to have ADHD like I do, and public schools are hell for us. When I was a child I cried every day, hated my parents and didn't understand what did I do that I deserved to be forced into that prison. I am not going to put my children through that. I don't care about your social engineering goals, I care about happy childhood for my children.

You might consider alternative schools like Waldorf or Montessori for your kids. It's not like there is only one kind of school available.

These legally operate as groups of homeschooled children where I live, and there actually is only one kind of "school". Yes, I'm considering that. One thing I definitely don't want is an "institution" that feels like it's entitled to do or require children to do whatever it wants, even if it has generally enlightened opinions and methods. If my child can't come at all for half a year, that's what will happen.

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by spython »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #72
spython wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would that be considered a flaw? The rationale behind it is the same as behind the inability to name your child XAe or any random assortment of letters – to not make the future difficult for your child, even if you as a parent might want it. It is also one of the last tools that prevents parallel societies from forming. Not that German schools are ideal - they are a bit stuck in the past - but the common experien…

> It is also one of the last tools that prevents parallel societies from forming. Consider German history. They had the Nazis in power. Half of Germany had the Communists in power. So, you don't want Nazis and Communists home schooling their kids - you want those kids in regular school, where they can be taught about democracy and human rights. But if the Nazis or Communists are in power, you absolutely want to be ab…

From my experience with attending four schools in two countries - it is often the quality and the personality of the teacher that influences what I was learning, not so much the curriculum. I see very little chance for radical thought being taught at German schools, unless 70%+ of school teachers get replaced.

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by pvdoom »

tossandthrow wrote: post #86
pvdoom wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 55% personal income tax rate? That's not really correct. It is more like 36%. And also it is more complicated than that, as the more you earn the higher it gets, but it's roughly around 36%. The 55% is for example for secondary incomes, etc. what we call a B-kord

Yes, 55% is the top of the tax progression. People on B-kort still get their deductions (Just paid back after the fiscal year is done). You pay the 55% on: 1. salary earned on the top of the progressions hierarchy 2. When you work anonymously (Ie. you need a CPR number to get you deductions) At a salary of ~150k USD (DKK 1m) you would pay 40% in tax - not too far away from NY or SF.

My sister is in SF, and even though she nominally makes a little more than I do, I end up having much more disposable income, and can afford a lot more things, which is ... weird feeling
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