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Re: Slack AI Training with Customer Data

#82
post #43

> For any model that will be used broadly across all of our customers, we do not build or train these models in such a way that they could learn, memorise, or be able to reproduce some part of Customer Data This feels so full of subtle qualifiers and weasel words that it generates far more distrust than trust. It only refers to models used "broadly across all" customers - so if it's (a) not used "broadly" or (b) only…

- Create a Slack account for your 95-year-old grandpa

- Exclude that one account from using the models, he's never going to use Slack anyway

- Now you can learn, memorise, or reproduce all the Customer Data you like

Re: Slack AI Training with Customer Data

#83
post #21

How could this possibly comply with European "right to be forgotten" legislation? In fact, how could any of these AI models comply with that? If a user requests to be forgotten, is the entire model retrained (I don't think so).

This "ai" scam going on now is the ultimate convoluted process to hide sooo much tomfuckery: theres no such thing as copyright anymore! this isn't stealing anything, its transforming it! you must opt out before we train our model on the entire internet! (and we still won't spits in our face) this isn't going to reduce any jobs at all! (every company on earth fires 15% of everyone immediately) you must return to office immediately or be fired! (so we get more car data teehee) this one weird trick will turn you into the ultimate productive programmer! (but we will be selling it to individuals not really making profitable products with it ourselves)

and finally the most aggregious and dangerous: censorship at the lowest level of information before it can ever get anywhere near peoples fingertips or eyeballs.

Re: Slack AI Training with Customer Data

#85

How can anyone in their right mind think building AI for emoji selection is a remotely good use of time...

> "These types of thoughtful personalizations and improvements are only possible if we study and understand how our users interact with Slack."

LOL

Re: Slack AI Training with Customer Data

#86
post #74

In summary, you must opt-out if you want to exclude your data from global models. Incredibly confusing language since they also vaguely state that "data will not leak across workspaces". Use tools that cannot leak data not "will not".

what is the difference between "will not" and "cannot" in legalese?

Re: Slack AI Training with Customer Data

#87
post #16

> Data will not leak across workspaces. > If you want to exclude your Customer Data from helping train Slack global models, you can opt out. I don't understand how both these statements can be true. If they are using your data to train models used across workspaces then it WILL leak. If they aren't then why do they need an opt out? Edit: reading through the examples of AI use at the bottom of the page (search results…

They're saying they won't train generative models that will literally regurgitate your text, my guess is classifiers are fair game in their interpretation

The OP privacy policy explicitly states that autocompletion algorithms are part of the scope. "Our algorithm that picks from potential suggestions is trained globally on previously suggested and accepted completions."

And this can leak: for instance, typing "a good business partner for foobars is" might not send that text upstream per se, but would be consulting a local model whose training data would have contained conversations that other Slack users are having about brands that provide foobars. How can Slack guarantee that the model won't incorporate proprietary insights on sourcing the best foobar producers into its choice of the next token? And sure, one could build an adversarial model that attempts to minimize this kind of leakage, but is Slack incentivized to create such a thing vs. just building an optimal autocomplete as quickly as possible?

Even if it were just creating classifiers, similar leakages could occur there, albeit requiring more effort and time from attackers to extract actionable data.

I can't blame Slack for wanting to improve their product, but I'd also encourage any users with proprietary conversations to encourage their admins to opt out as soon as possible.

Re: Slack AI Training with Customer Data

#88
The incentive for first party tool providers to do this is going to be huge, whether its Slack, Google, Microsoft, or really any other SaaS tool. Ultimately, if business want to avoid getting commoditized by their vendors, they need be in control of their data, and their AI strategy. And that probably ultimately means turning off all of these small-utility-very-expensive-and-might-ruin-your-business features, and actually creating a centralized, access controlled, well governed knowledge base which you can plug any open source or black box LLM, from any provider.

Re: Slack AI Training with Customer Data

#89
post #61

> We offer Customers a choice around these practices. If you want to exclude your Customer Data from helping train Slack global models, you can opt out. If you opt out, Customer Data on your workspace will only be used to improve the experience on your own workspace and you will still enjoy all of the benefits of our globally trained AI/ML models without contributing to the underlying models. Why would anyone not opt…

> Why would anyone not opt-out?

Because you might actually want to have the best possible global models ? Think of "not opting out" as "helping them build a better product". You are already paying for that product, if there is anything you can do, for free and without any additional time investment on your side that makes their next release better, why not do it ?

You gain a better product for the same price, they get a better product to sell. It might look like they get more than you do in the trade, and that's probably true; but just because they gain more does not mean you lose. A "win less / win more" situation is still a win-win. (It's even a win-win-win if you take into account all the other users of the platform).

Of course, if you value the privacy of these data a lot, and if you believe that by allowing them to train on them it is actually going to risk exposing private info, the story changes. But then you have an option to say stop. It's up to you to measure how much you value "getting a better product" vs "estimated risk of exposing some information considered private". Some will err on one side, some on the other.

Re: Slack AI Training with Customer Data

#90

>Our mission is to build a product that makes work life simpler, more pleasant and more productive. I know it would be impossible but I wish we go back to the days when we didn't have Slack (or tools alike). Our Slack is a cesspool of people complaining, talking behind other people's backs, echo chamber of negativity etc. That probably speaks more to the overall culture of the company, but Slack certainly doesn't hel…

> That probably speaks more to the overall culture of the company

Yep. Fun fact, my last workplace had a fairly nontoxic Slack... but there was a whole second Slack dedicated to bitching and shitposting where the bosses weren't invited. Humans gonna human.

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