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Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by mtarnovan »

LogicX wrote: post #31

My issue with Hetzner is that by the time you add in management options necessary for a remote dedicated server, your monthly cost isn't that much better than other options. Example: To have remote KVM/IP you'd need to first pay 15EUR for their flexipack for the privilege of adding additional features. then 19EUR mo and 149 EUR setup for KVM/IP Now you're up to $122USD/mo + almost $400USD for setup. Compare to Incero…

You're comparing a promo $99 WHT Promo (Regular Price $299)... not really fair. Take a look at EX8 if you need ECC, better CPU, and KVM/IP, for 90 EUR/month (not incl. price for storage, which is configurable for EX8). We got one of these servers this week, with 2 x 3TB enterprise hdds and 2 x 120GB SSD (ocz vertex 3). We've setup this server to use ZFS with the ZIL and the L2ARC on the SSDs, and it seems screamingly fast (haven't done any benchmarks yet).

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by mtarnovan »

jorisw wrote: post #33
LogicX wrote: post #31

My issue with Hetzner is that by the time you add in management options necessary for a remote dedicated server, your monthly cost isn't that much better than other options. Example: To have remote KVM/IP you'd need to first pay 15EUR for their flexipack for the privilege of adding additional features. then 19EUR mo and 149 EUR setup for KVM/IP Now you're up to $122USD/mo + almost $400USD for setup. Compare to Incero…

What would you need remote KVM/IP for? If your ssh ever dies, you can reboot the thing into rescue mode, log in over remote console, fix whatever's broken, and reboot the system. I have been using an older server offer of theirs for years now, and never had to pay for anything other than the said fee.

What if you upgrade to a kernel which doesn't boot ? Trust me, KVM/IP gives you peace of mind, for 10-15EUR/month it's worth it. On some server configs it's even included in the price (EX8).

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by calloc »

ypcx wrote: post #27
zerathul wrote: post #18

can anyone explain how is this even possible considering how expensive that piece of hardware is?

It's a promo offer, they will only offer a limited number of them, and in few months introduce a better one. Also I've been given faulty hardware at Hetzner and the support was quite ass-hatty. I said fuck it, replace the drive and reflash the OS, but they no, the RAID must rebuild. At the end of day, MySQL was still crashing under a heavy load, but that could have been software problem, not sure if I can blame Hetzn…

I had two failing drives in my Softlayer box (was about three years after they were put in service ... so not bad), and Softlayer insisted on running the HD diagnostics on our machine taking it down for an hour.

We just ended up purchasing a new box, migrating over and letting them take the old one offline. We ended up paying less per month for twice the specs...

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by easp »

nirvana wrote: post #71
lsb wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For ten more € a month, get error-corrected memory: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex6

Half the memory, with ECC. Since 16GB is pretty sufficient for my needs, I think I'd use the extra 16GB for pure caching. (Riak has an in memory mode so you can run two backends- one backed by disk and one not backed. Using the in RAM one gives you a distributed cache over a bunch of machines. If you keep 2 copies and you have 4 machines, that each have 16GB dedicated to this in memory backend, that gives you a 32GB…

ECC corrects single bit errors and detects multi-bit errors.

Why should you care? Well, if you are lucky, the machine crashes. If you are unlucky, it keeps running, and that bad data gets written to disk, or causes a cumulative error in some calculation, and you never know about it.

With the size of memories these days, chances of a corrupted memory are not exactly a rare occurrence.

I don't know enough about Riak, but a cluster is only going to help if key data structures are themselves checked for consistency across the cluster.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by latch »

sp332 wrote: post #39
latch wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as the price > operating cost, they'll eventually make money on it. You could say that they take a different approach to say Rackspace or Softlayer which try to recoup the initial investment during the first month.

But you have to subtract the operating costs, and still make your money back quickly before you have to pay to upgrade the hardware again.

In 3 years time, they'll still be selling these machines. A lot of companies still offer the Xeon's 3220, which, if I'm reading wiki correctly, first shipped in Jan 2007.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by ergo14 »

mtarnovan wrote: post #82
jorisw wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you need remote KVM/IP for? If your ssh ever dies, you can reboot the thing into rescue mode, log in over remote console, fix whatever's broken, and reboot the system. I have been using an older server offer of theirs for years now, and never had to pay for anything other than the said fee.

What if you upgrade to a kernel which doesn't boot ? Trust me, KVM/IP gives you peace of mind, for 10-15EUR/month it's worth it. On some server configs it's even included in the price (EX8).

then you boot from recovery image - GRUB broke for me completly after routine debian update (imagine that!), and i fixed it using recovery images - you can also request LARA for up to 2h for free.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by brazzy »

easp wrote: post #84
nirvana wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Half the memory, with ECC. Since 16GB is pretty sufficient for my needs, I think I'd use the extra 16GB for pure caching. (Riak has an in memory mode so you can run two backends- one backed by disk and one not backed. Using the in RAM one gives you a distributed cache over a bunch of machines. If you keep 2 copies and you have 4 machines, that each have 16GB dedicated to this in memory backend, that gives you a 32GB…

ECC corrects single bit errors and detects multi-bit errors. Why should you care? Well, if you are lucky, the machine crashes. If you are unlucky, it keeps running, and that bad data gets written to disk, or causes a cumulative error in some calculation, and you never know about it. With the size of memories these days, chances of a corrupted memory are not exactly a rare occurrence. I don't know enough about Riak, b…

The question is: how does the size of memory affect the probability of a bit that matters to get corrupted? Who cares if one character somewhere among millions of product reviews or comments gets corrupted?

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by tluyben2 »

mst wrote: post #56
tluyben2 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OVH definitely does not provide good hardware; we have more broken disks and NICs there than all our other hosters combined. Edit: I see we might be exceptions. We have been using OVH since 2005, running up to 40 servers about 2 years ago. We are also running at iWeb, Softlayer, Amazon and Leaseweb. Hardware wise the only one we have issues with is OVH, and i'm talking every 2 weeks since 2005 (in 2006 they managed t…

Somebody always has a bad experience with any given company. What I keep wondering about is how to effectively get the collective knowledge out there to figure out whether you're the exception or the rule. I sort of wish hosting companies would publish the hardware failure rates -as seen by them- too - though I don't know how much of a competitive advantage that would be, if any.

Well yes, but this is not getting some bad support a few times; this is consistently bad hardware on our part.

I'm kind of wondering now if we are running different workloads; we are running very high IO and network stuff. Maybe we just hammer a lot harder on the disk than others are? With HP DL360s @ leaseweb we are running the same loads without any problem (since 2006...); 1 broken disk that ended up not actually being broken.

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