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Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by nirvana »

lsb wrote: post #69
nirvana wrote: post #49

Been planning to set up a cluster with Hertzner using the EX 4, so the 4S is like getting 16GB more RAM for 10 Euros more a month. This is great news. One thing I have wondered about is whether hosting in Germany is a good idea. First is the latency issues. Will serving web pages to customers on the west coast of the US really suffer? (this is in the minimum viable product stage-- we're not google yet) Secondly, I'm…

For ten more € a month, get error-corrected memory: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex6

Half the memory, with ECC. Since 16GB is pretty sufficient for my needs, I think I'd use the extra 16GB for pure caching. (Riak has an in memory mode so you can run two backends- one backed by disk and one not backed. Using the in RAM one gives you a distributed cache over a bunch of machines. If you keep 2 copies and you have 4 machines, that each have 16GB dedicated to this in memory backend, that gives you a 32GB of distributed cache where any item in the cache is at most one hop away.)

I recently tried to research what ECC means operationally (I'm not really an operations guy.) Is ECC good for correcting bits flipped by cosmic rays? Or is it going to tell you that memory is failing? I've never, in the past 20 years, had memory fail on me over time.

Also, I'm not going to be running a single server such that if a server goes down my service goes offline.

I'm running a Riak cluster, of at least 3 nodes, maybe 4 to start. If any server goes down, the service stays online.

My software architecture is, near as I understand it, well suited to commodity hardware.

The 10 euros extra per month, on 4 servers is 40 euros, which is nearly enough for an extra server.

So, wouldn't it be better to have 5 commodity servers than 4 servers with ECC?

I wouldn't know what to do if I started getting ECC errors anyway (I know, I'm stupid, but we're a startup, no budget to hire an ops person.) I'd probably just ask them to give me a new machine.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by sek »

rsynnott wrote: post #64
nirvana wrote: post #49

Been planning to set up a cluster with Hertzner using the EX 4, so the 4S is like getting 16GB more RAM for 10 Euros more a month. This is great news. One thing I have wondered about is whether hosting in Germany is a good idea. First is the latency issues. Will serving web pages to customers on the west coast of the US really suffer? (this is in the minimum viable product stage-- we're not google yet) Secondly, I'm…

The data protection directive might be an issue for you; protection of personal information is much stronger in the EU than in the US. Less likely, but because it's Germany, if you're hosting bigoted content, particularly Nazi-associated content, that will be a problem.

That is a myth. You are not allowed to show symbols of an organization who is against our constitution, but only if it is not in the matter of science or history. The second law is, you are not allowed to call out for violence against a group/minority.

Censoring is illegal from our constitution, so you can only get sued by a court, but when you take it down it usually would be dismissed. It is not even an important public topic here.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by nirvana »

sek wrote: post #72
rsynnott wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data protection directive might be an issue for you; protection of personal information is much stronger in the EU than in the US. Less likely, but because it's Germany, if you're hosting bigoted content, particularly Nazi-associated content, that will be a problem.

That is a myth. You are not allowed to show symbols of an organization who is against our constitution, but only if it is not in the matter of science or history. The second law is, you are not allowed to call out for violence against a group/minority. Censoring is illegal from our constitution, so you can only get sued by a court, but when you take it down it usually would be dismissed. It is not even an important p…

I made an edit to my original post, though for some reason it didn't take.

Anyway, I'm not doing anything controversial, and I won't even be hosting user generated content (at least not in the early days, though we might later).

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by nirvana »

njs12345 wrote: post #50
nirvana wrote: post #49

Been planning to set up a cluster with Hertzner using the EX 4, so the 4S is like getting 16GB more RAM for 10 Euros more a month. This is great news. One thing I have wondered about is whether hosting in Germany is a good idea. First is the latency issues. Will serving web pages to customers on the west coast of the US really suffer? (this is in the minimum viable product stage-- we're not google yet) Secondly, I'm…

Off the top of my head, one thing you might need to worry about is privacy/data protection - the EU laws on this seem to be a bit more stringent than in the US: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Directive

Thank you. This presents some implications I'm going to have to consider in developing our application. Fortunately, in the early days we'll be collecting no personally identifiable data.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by veeti »

hlidotbe wrote: post #59
dav-id wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Within the EU you need to pay the VAT.

Not if you are a business... we don't pay VAT on anything we buy outside Belgium.

You need to be VAT registered in your own country to be able to buy things with 0 VAT.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by sek »

nirvana wrote: post #73
sek wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a myth. You are not allowed to show symbols of an organization who is against our constitution, but only if it is not in the matter of science or history. The second law is, you are not allowed to call out for violence against a group/minority. Censoring is illegal from our constitution, so you can only get sued by a court, but when you take it down it usually would be dismissed. It is not even an important p…

I made an edit to my original post, though for some reason it didn't take. Anyway, I'm not doing anything controversial, and I won't even be hosting user generated content (at least not in the early days, though we might later).

I just want to explain how a non issue this is here.

Twitter took this as an example to justify their new censoring features, that annoyed me a little. There is a difference between censoring and enforcement trough court. For the second one you just need a system for takedown requests.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by sek »

dav-id wrote: post #48
sek wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A German company would get 19% back from the Government, but AFAIK a foreign company doesn't have to pay it in the first place, so you can calculate it out. Incredible, maybe they made a mistake on their site. Hetzner has a very good reputation here in Germany, otherwise i would expect something fishy.

Within the EU you need to pay the VAT.

I looked it up, for export you don't have to charge VAT. But i don't know if internet services count as export.

Re: Hetzner introduces new server product with insane parameters for 59 EUR/mth

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Post by lsb »

nirvana wrote: post #71
lsb wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For ten more € a month, get error-corrected memory: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex6

Half the memory, with ECC. Since 16GB is pretty sufficient for my needs, I think I'd use the extra 16GB for pure caching. (Riak has an in memory mode so you can run two backends- one backed by disk and one not backed. Using the in RAM one gives you a distributed cache over a bunch of machines. If you keep 2 copies and you have 4 machines, that each have 16GB dedicated to this in memory backend, that gives you a 32GB…

Cosmic rays, and it's more common than you think: http://www.quora.com/Is-ECC-error-correcting-code-RAM-worth-...
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