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EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by bitexploder »

guhidalg wrote: post #67
bitexploder wrote: post #47

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Tesla software is not good overall. The engineering for the batteries is amazing. Drivetrain efficiency is good. The further the software gets from those two things the worse it gets. We ditched our model 3 for an e-tron and could not be happier. We gave up some range for an overall superior product. Our main complaint was the software, especially the shoddy constantly changing main UI. Tesla are good cars for what t…

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Is what it is. Our issues were common on Tesla forums when we tried to fix them ourselves.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by kraig »

krzyk wrote: post #41
mgadams3 wrote: post #16

I've owned 3 EVs and Tesla is the lowest quality car I've ever owned. Teslas weigh down the average b/c they're the majority of EVs on the road.

Teslas the majority? I always assume Tesla was a more luxury brand of EVs. Is there any ranking of amount of EVs by brand sold to date? AFAIR Nissan Leaf was selling quite well some time in Europe. And in 2022 I see BYD sold more vehicles than Tesla, but I can't find data for all the EVs sold in the past.

At least in Los Angeles, Teslas are more of an upgraded Prius. Most people with money have been replacing them with Taycans or E-trons over the last 2-3 years.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by laputan_machine »

ajmurmann wrote: post #65
Gravityloss wrote: post #28

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I've seen the argument that "traditional auto makers" don't "get" how many people think - they concentrate on panel gaps or wind noise or door closing bump noise. Tesla isn't great there, but the Tesla software is good, and what some people call "kids" treat the car more like a smart phone. They don't care if your panel gaps are great - if your infotainment software is very laggy or crashes, it's a low quality car.

I don't get the infotainment software thing. Am I an outlier by just wanting the dumbest possible system for my phone to connect to and run CarPlay on? I don't want anything the car maker added, not even radio.

We are almost definitely outliers, but the good thing is that there are probably enough of us to be a worthwhile market for people to sell us these kinds of vehicles.

I don't think we'll ever be forced into buying these ridiculous computers with cars attached.

My current manufacturer of choice is Honda, but I'm sure they'll end up adding this cruft at some point to their future cars, too.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by Kon-Peki »

thereddaikon wrote: post #25
Kon-Peki wrote: post #7

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> So Consumer Reports put together 3 of their top hybrids here. The Lexus NX came out a few years ago in the premium luxury segment here. Very nice car, attractive car, good mileage there. The Ford Maverick. Now we actually had this truck. It is a small compact utility pickup truck. Unibody construction, 38 MPG with hybrid. Yeah. What's really surprising about the Ford Maverick rated so highly is not really that it's…

Affordable trucks have mostly disappeared. They have been climbing up the price brackets for a few generations now. Its gotten to the point that before the Maverick your choices were either absurdly expensive luxury truck or buying a trim meant for commercial use that has no features at all. There did not exist a normal truck anymore. Well, they did nominally. But good luck finding one for sale. Why sell lower tier F…

I spent a lot of time in the early 90s in a cheap Japanese truck. 4-cylinder, manual transmission, RWD, standard suspension. Sure, I can believe that the Maverick is less capable in some ways. But in others, there is no comparison. At all.

Modern expensive trucks are amazing, but that is also part of why they are expensive. You are being tricked into thinking the cost is 100% due to the fancy add-ons. It isn't. And when Toyota comes out with their small unibody truck (2024 or 2025), reviewers will gush and swoon over it. And most of those reviewer complaints about the Maverick being mediocre will fade away (or at least "not apply" to the Toyota version). At these prices, you don't get to do what an F150 or Silverado or Tundra does.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by _ea1k »

kube-system wrote: post #76
_ea1k wrote: post #51

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That's true, but a lot of paint issues are not so severe. Many are things like the white bumper not matching the rest of the car. That one is common across brands. Tesla's get a lot of scrutiny for dust nibs and uneven application. I'd bet its the minority that would have a functional impact.

There are common mild issues in other categories as well. “Braking system issues” sound bad, but a common complaint is brake noise. “Transmission issues” could be hard shifts. “Engine problems” could be a squeaky belt or tensioner.

Depending on how the surveys work, things like "how do I setup billing for charging?" can show up as charging issues too. It makes sense, but it will create a weird skew between EVs and ICE vehicles. Everyone buying an ICE vehicle already knows how to use a gas station.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by ghaff »

ajmurmann wrote: post #65
Gravityloss wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen the argument that "traditional auto makers" don't "get" how many people think - they concentrate on panel gaps or wind noise or door closing bump noise. Tesla isn't great there, but the Tesla software is good, and what some people call "kids" treat the car more like a smart phone. They don't care if your panel gaps are great - if your infotainment software is very laggy or crashes, it's a low quality car.

I don't get the infotainment software thing. Am I an outlier by just wanting the dumbest possible system for my phone to connect to and run CarPlay on? I don't want anything the car maker added, not even radio.

I use my Honda's infotainment system to set defaults for various car systems and for CarPlay. That's basically it. Doesn't even have a particularly large screen but it's fine for what I need it for. Climate controls etc. are all buttons.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by Hellion »

guhidalg wrote: post #67
bitexploder wrote: post #47

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Tesla software is not good overall. The engineering for the batteries is amazing. Drivetrain efficiency is good. The further the software gets from those two things the worse it gets. We ditched our model 3 for an e-tron and could not be happier. We gave up some range for an overall superior product. Our main complaint was the software, especially the shoddy constantly changing main UI. Tesla are good cars for what t…

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> not my experience, overblowing

It absolutely is my experience as well. I suspect there’s a sizable majority of people who have no issues with their Tesla ever. But there are still a lot of us who didn’t have a good experience.

Accusing people of lying just makes you look like a blind fanboy.

My 2015 model s would beg to differ. I had it for two years. The screen crashed about once a month and it leaked when it rained, which is annoying in Monterey. First new car id ever bought , shortest I’ve ever owned a car. Fantastic in a lot of ways but the door leaking and the runaround with the company made me unload it.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by weberer »

audunw wrote: post #56
krzyk wrote: post #41

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Teslas the majority? I always assume Tesla was a more luxury brand of EVs. Is there any ranking of amount of EVs by brand sold to date? AFAIR Nissan Leaf was selling quite well some time in Europe. And in 2022 I see BYD sold more vehicles than Tesla, but I can't find data for all the EVs sold in the past.

> I always assume Tesla was a more luxury brand of EVs. Eh, Model S was high-end but wouldn't call it luxury. Lots of regular people with a decent income bought it. Interior wasn't up to "luxury" standards. My kindergarten teacher has a Model 3, so that's not really luxury at all.

Huh, looks like the Model 3 sells for $47,000. Much less than I was expecting, but still a bit pricey for a kindergarten teacher.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by skrowl »

kraig wrote: post #82
krzyk wrote: post #41

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Teslas the majority? I always assume Tesla was a more luxury brand of EVs. Is there any ranking of amount of EVs by brand sold to date? AFAIR Nissan Leaf was selling quite well some time in Europe. And in 2022 I see BYD sold more vehicles than Tesla, but I can't find data for all the EVs sold in the past.

At least in Los Angeles, Teslas are more of an upgraded Prius. Most people with money have been replacing them with Taycans or E-trons over the last 2-3 years.

The wait list for a Porsche Taycan is 18 months to 2 years. They just can't make enough of them.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by laputan_machine »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #71
Gravityloss wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen the argument that "traditional auto makers" don't "get" how many people think - they concentrate on panel gaps or wind noise or door closing bump noise. Tesla isn't great there, but the Tesla software is good, and what some people call "kids" treat the car more like a smart phone. They don't care if your panel gaps are great - if your infotainment software is very laggy or crashes, it's a low quality car.

Panel gaps don’t even matter from a pragmatic standpoint.

Big panel gaps = lowered fuel economy.

Seems pragmatic to me to care about it.

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