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App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Post by worthless-trash »

tinus_hn wrote: post #16
filoleg wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was about to say, this is about as unsurprising and reasonable as Google Search listening to what you type into the search bar and which links on the search results page you click.

Many sites, probably including Google Search, also monitor where you move your mouse cursor, even if you’re not clicking. A lot less reasonable and more surprising.

Ah, this may explain why i get asked "if I'm a robot so frequently", I very rarely use moues for navigation and mainly use keynav.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Post by krono »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #67
smoldesu wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can justify a lot of crazy behavior with "we need it to improve our product", that doesn't make it inherently ethical though.

That also doesn't make it inherently unethical, and so far nobody has provided evidence of that claim.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights says something about arbitrary interference in a person's privacy not being okay, so there's that.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Post by [deleted] »

krono wrote: post #82
cmeacham98 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That also doesn't make it inherently unethical, and so far nobody has provided evidence of that claim.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights says something about arbitrary interference in a person's privacy not being okay, so there's that. https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

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Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Post by Vt71fcAqt7 »

heywoodlh wrote: post #77
Vt71fcAqt7 wrote: post #38

I don't understand people still hanging on to the fiction that Apple is some sort of bastion of privacy. Do they know that google pays Apple "an estimated $8-12 billion"[0] to be default search and as a result track almost all iPhone users' searches? If that's not "selling your data" I don't know what is. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/technology/apple-google-s...

Disclaimer: happy iOS and Android user -- I like both platforms and think both have strengths and weaknesses. Mostly a Linux user on desktop. > Do they know that google pays Apple... to be default search This statement comes off a bit ironic in the fact that you are pointing out a deal that Apple has with Google -- the current steward over Android -- as a reason that Apple isn't a bastion for privacy. This irony high…

I never said Google or android protect users privacy. Android violating users privacy is not to the exclusion of Apple doing the same even if to a lesser extent. Everyone knows how bad android is this respect. Yet there is this idea that Apple does care about users' privacy, and won't sell users' data, with apple themselves saying things like:

>Your personal data should always be protected on your device and never shared without your permission. So we build encryption, on-device intelligence, and other tools into our products to let you share what you want on your terms.[0]

and

>In iOS 11 and macOS High Sierra, we introduced Intelligent Tracking Prevention. You may have noticed that when you look at something to buy online, you suddenly start seeing it everywhere else you go on the web. This happens when a third party tracks cookies and other website data to feed you ads across various websites. Intelligent Tracking Prevention uses the latest in machine learning and on-device intelligence to reduce this cross-site tracking. It works by separating the third-party content used to track you from other browsing data, so what you look at on the web remains your business — not an advertiser’s.

This second statement, even if technically true, is incredibly disingenuous and misleading in light of the fact that typing anything that is not a URL into the safari search bar will by default cause tracking. _That's_ the issue here. "We don't sell your data, we just sell you to somone else that does"

[0]https://www.apple.com/ge/privacy/approach-to-privacy/

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Post by croes »

s3p wrote: post #74
MereInterest wrote: post #50

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Tracking how users use their own phones is certainly malicious. Regardless of whether they are using an application that you wrote, it is their phone .

That is not what is happening here. Users' on-screen taps inside the App Store app are being tracked. Not their interactions with any other aspect of the phone.

He/she is referring to parents comment

>tracking how users use your own app is hardly malicious

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Post by cmeacham98 »

krono wrote: post #82
cmeacham98 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That also doesn't make it inherently unethical, and so far nobody has provided evidence of that claim.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights says something about arbitrary interference in a person's privacy not being okay, so there's that. https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma...

Not convinced. By your logic, an nginx log with your IP in it is a similarly egregious and unethical privacy violation.

If you're going to commit to "all forms of tracking are bad no matter what" I'm going to need stronger evidence than a link a page on the UN's website.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Post by tyfon »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #62
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #55

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That you find it useful doesn't make it not an invasion of privacy.

That it's on your own app where you anyway know exactly which backend endpoint has been called by the user does. I really don't get the outrage about that, it's something that has existed for 15 or 20 years at least and is used a lot on most websites you go on. What private information do you think is sent to the vendor that would not be otherwise?

This attitude is why I hardly have any native apps on my phone and use a browser with ublock origin for it.

You can see how valuable this tracking is by the amount of websites begging you to install their native apps. No thanks!

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Post by heywoodlh »

Vt71fcAqt7 wrote: post #84
heywoodlh wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: happy iOS and Android user -- I like both platforms and think both have strengths and weaknesses. Mostly a Linux user on desktop. > Do they know that google pays Apple... to be default search This statement comes off a bit ironic in the fact that you are pointing out a deal that Apple has with Google -- the current steward over Android -- as a reason that Apple isn't a bastion for privacy. This irony high…

I never said Google or android protect users privacy. Android violating users privacy is not to the exclusion of Apple doing the same even if to a lesser extent. Everyone knows how bad android is this respect. Yet there is this idea that Apple does care about users' privacy, and won't sell users' data, with apple themselves saying things like: >Your personal data should always be protected on your device and never sh…

Ah, yeah, I can see what you mean. Apple is definitely hypocritical, and it bugs me how they handle certain aspects of privacy. And the overzealous Apple crowd often behaves as though privacy is achieved just because they're using Apple products.

iMessage is perhaps the most annoying offender to me because it's not end-to-end encrypted if iCloud backups are enabled -- meaning that my iMessage conversations have a high chance of not being E2EE on the other person's end.

Hopefully it made sense why I compared to Android. Apple does seem like a bastion of privacy when compared to Android -- just because Android and iOS are the only mainstream options on mobile. I would love to see Linux become more mainstream in the mobile space but I don't think it ever will, unfortunately (even though Android runs a Linux kernel, I don't really consider it Linux).

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