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App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Tracking how users use your own app is hardly malicious, in fact it's entirely in an effort to identify user frustration and solve it or otherwise improve the product. Tracking across different apps is definitely malicious, though.

You can justify a lot of crazy behavior with "we need it to improve our product", that doesn't make it inherently ethical though.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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We use LogRocket to record all interactions with our front-ends and it's awesome for trouble shooting and also invaluable for our product managers. They can see where users are struggling with the app and where extra-guidance is necessary. I'm assuming many many many other apps and web pages are doing the same thing. Nothing to see here.

That you find it useful doesn't make it not an invasion of privacy.

That it's on your own app where you anyway know exactly which backend endpoint has been called by the user does.

I really don't get the outrage about that, it's something that has existed for 15 or 20 years at least and is used a lot on most websites you go on.

What private information do you think is sent to the vendor that would not be otherwise?

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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I don't understand people still hanging on to the fiction that Apple is some sort of bastion of privacy. Do they know that google pays Apple "an estimated $8-12 billion"[0] to be default search and as a result track almost all iPhone users' searches? If that's not "selling your data" I don't know what is. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/technology/apple-google-s...

This is like complaining that your soundproof apartment isn't giving you the right level of privacy because when you stand on a soapbox in the town square and shout "I wear pink underwear" everyone knows what color your underwear are. If you want privacy, why not, you know, use the privacy features? (Like chat messages, which are NOT sent to Google).

I'm not sure you thought this through... Apple does not care about your privacy if they are willing to sell it for $12 Billion. I don't have an iPhone, and I never complained about them. To be honest, it's not clear that you even read my message at all. For context, I wrote that comment in a different thread and it got moved here: see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33527500

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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I believe Amazon, Airbnb, airlines and many others are doing / were doing same on their web pages too. It allow to provide better personalized (TM) experience and significantly increase ROI. There is good book how it works in offline world. https://www.npr.org/2017/02/13/514322899/aisles-have-eyes-wa...

Just don't read it on a Kindle, another device which monitors everything you do (how long you remain on a page etc).

I think of all the tech I use that could track me, I’m most OK with the Kindle. All my books come from Libby so the Library Industrial Complex also knows.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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I don't understand people still hanging on to the fiction that Apple is some sort of bastion of privacy. Do they know that google pays Apple "an estimated $8-12 billion"[0] to be default search and as a result track almost all iPhone users' searches? If that's not "selling your data" I don't know what is. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/25/technology/apple-google-s...

I have an iPhone and don’t use Google search (I’m not logged in to any Google services actually, unless Apple Mail loading Gmail counts) so I’m pretty sure Google is not tracking _all_ users’ searches.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Tracking how users use your own app is hardly malicious, in fact it's entirely in an effort to identify user frustration and solve it or otherwise improve the product. Tracking across different apps is definitely malicious, though.

You can justify a lot of crazy behavior with "we need it to improve our product", that doesn't make it inherently ethical though.

That also doesn't make it inherently unethical, and so far nobody has provided evidence of that claim.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Every webapp with typeahead functionality does it. How is this any different?

Apple is supposed to be good for privacy.

Indeed. Asking the question not because i am defending apple, but just pointing out that this common practice. If you want typeahead there is no way around sending all keystrokes. Poor phrasing on my end.

Re: App Store on iOS 14.6 sends every tap you make in the app to Apple

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Also Apple doesn’t have any incentive to ‘fingerprint’ App Store users because they are either logged in or using a unique identifier.

Sure they do. What if they switch accounts, usernames, phones, etc. More data is better.

What? If they switch devices and accounts, it doesn't matter WHAT is being "fingerprinted'... there's no way a unique identifier will persist across that type of change. Points for the theory though.
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