For 402$?
Not sure why the summary is showing that. The complaint if you click through is for $100M.
Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
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Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
His rate of improvement, assuming no cheating since his ban in 2020, is a faster ascendance than any other player in history, including Bobby Fischer. So yes, assuming he suddenly quit cheating cold turkey, his performance would indicate he is a once in a generation talent and could easily become the best in the world, according to the Chess.com report.
I'm a huge Hans fan. (F him for cheating, but setting that aside.) His play is objectively insane . Either he's somehow been cheating this whole time via shoefish, or he's the real deal. GothamChess has had excellent coverage of his games. Like seriously, look at this one: https://youtu.be/ainUWFboMLs?t=1490 Hans threw a masterful knockout punch at the end, one which his opponent completely overlooked, and was solely…
At some point I would expect the younger players to start doing this more often. After all, they have the ability to grow up learning to play from/like an engine. It just seems obvious that their play should diverge from what was traditionally canon.
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's a very impressive rise, but in part because it started later in life than other young GMs. In absolute terms, he's still on par with about a dozen young 2700s who are about the same age. It's just that he caught up really fast.
The velocity is the issue not the skill level. If I never bowled in my life, started, and two weeks later claimed I was getting 270 or higher on a consistent basis you wouldn't say "well there are pro bowelers his age that get similar scores "
The problem is Hans is still playing OTB at a 2700ish level. If Hans is managing to cheat in OTB chess with so many eyes on him, with all the security measures in place, and doing it so he's able to fool all of the anti-cheating statistical analyses, then honestly he should just be robbing banks or something because he could make way more money with those skills.
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#84Can someone explain something - Assume for a moment Hans did not cheat (aside from the times he admitted to cheating). In the scenario where he did not cheat - how amazing is his performance? I.e. beating Magnus, Elo rating, etc. I know chess.com did an analysis, which I've read, but I'm hoping someone more impartial could explain it. In the scenario where he did not cheat, is he really on a Bobby Fischer-like ascend…
Hans is currently rated around 2700 (at least his live rating after his performance at the US Chess Championship). A few other GMs around that rating have beaten Magnus in just the last week or two (Arjun Erigaisi and Gukesh to name a couple), so it's not out of this world. It is still certainly an upset, but not impossible.
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#85Aaaaannd any last remaining respect I had for Hans is now gone.
If you previously still had respect for Hans, does that mean you considered it possible he is innocent of these specific cheating accusations? Supposing for the sake of argument that he really didn't cheat, isn't he well within his right to sue those defaming him? Personally I don't know; I see smoke but no fire and I'm not qualified to judge the meaning of that smoke. Hans' admitted history of cheating before online…
He has the option to sue, but the way to gain respect is to demonstrate his ability in an environment that controls for any means of cheating posited by those who suspect him of doing so.
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Chess.com has yearly revenue of 50 to 100 million. So I think actually the 100 million is quite low looking at that number.
Where did you get that number from? I can't find any source online that substantiates it.
https://mixergy.com/interviews/chess-com-with-erik-allebest/
Transcript have them over 50, but under 100m it seems.
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#87I don't know what the right way for him to fight back is, but this is a teenager who's made a few mistakes and in disproportionate response has been steamrolled by some of the biggest forces in chess - which could have had quite terrible mental health consequences for some - so I'm glad he has found an avenue for redress, however it pans out. He's owed a massive apology by them.
You can't change who you really are, you can only pretend.
My opinion only obviously.
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#88Can someone explain something - Assume for a moment Hans did not cheat (aside from the times he admitted to cheating). In the scenario where he did not cheat - how amazing is his performance? I.e. beating Magnus, Elo rating, etc. I know chess.com did an analysis, which I've read, but I'm hoping someone more impartial could explain it. In the scenario where he did not cheat, is he really on a Bobby Fischer-like ascend…
You can prove statistically that he used Stockfish in some critical games; 100% same moves. In other games he was at Magnus' level, around 75%, and in some on his normal level.
Yes, Stockfish is really good. But not crazy. Just call him Hans Shoefish.
Re: Hans Niemann Suing Magnus Carlsen, Chess.com, and Hikaru Nakamura
#89Can someone explain something - Assume for a moment Hans did not cheat (aside from the times he admitted to cheating). In the scenario where he did not cheat - how amazing is his performance? I.e. beating Magnus, Elo rating, etc. I know chess.com did an analysis, which I've read, but I'm hoping someone more impartial could explain it. In the scenario where he did not cheat, is he really on a Bobby Fischer-like ascend…
I‘ve been trying to draw parallels to other sports in this regard. Nobody accused Tiger Woods of cheating (at golf) when he redefined the sport. People DID accuse Lance Armstrong, and they were right (although in that case the whole field was cheating). New England Patriots? Kinda cheated. Michael Phelps has never been accused AFAIK. As a non-chess player, I can’t help but wonder if this is just an entire sport refus…
The comparisons are a bit extreme as Hans hasn’t become the world’s best chess player; not even close. He just beat Magnus once…
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