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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by watwut »

ejanus wrote: post #50
grapeskin wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody expected Russia to suddenly try to seize all of Ukraine. It went from nothing to suddenly surrounding the country in weeks, and even then people called the Biden admin nuts for saying Russia was going to do it. Then they did it. Nobody expected sanctions that cut Russia off from the world to an extent comparable only to North Korea. It's just something that people didn't imagine could happen to modern economie…

But it creates window of parallel systems. And it may end up weakening West control of global financial system. People think that by doing that Russia will suddenly leave Ukraine but they are not realising that that won't happen.

Ukraine may manage to push Russia away or not. Either way, continuing business with Russia with its current ideology and behavior would be guaranteed to weaken West.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by rich_sasha »

Hamuko wrote: post #22
coffeeblack wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How should they have known? Russia attacked both Georgia and Ukraine before, and the West never reacted in any meaningful way.

Yandex bought the land in 2013, so it was before the invasion of Crimea.

But after Georgian invasion of 2008, and Chechen wars of 90s.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by Ekaros »

Ndymium wrote: post #44
Hamuko wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As far as I understood, their electricity contract did not expire, or at least that was not explicitly mentioned. The transfer company, which now cut them from the grid, was their electricity seller until the end of 2021, and from the beginning of 2022 they had another seller provide them electricity, but that has ended for reasons unknown. > "Hänen mukaansa aiemmin sähköä myi Yandexille Nivos Energia, mutta sopimus…

You're correct, though I wonder what the reason could be other than expiring. Thinking out loud, maybe they've had trouble paying due to money transfer issues between Finland and Russia. In any case it's not directly due to any sanctions as the company is not sanctioned.

The new seller went bankrupt? The massive increased price in electricity and long term contracts with other parties could have made them unable to continue running. Specially if it is some rather small company.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by medo-bear »

can16358p wrote: post #75

> at a current price of €2.175 per 1 liter What? €2175 per liter of diesel? Am I missing something? /edit: nvm I misinterpreted decimal point as a thousands seperator.

in some places across EU decimal points are thousands separators and commas indicate decimals. i find this confusing too

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by ivan_gammel »

watwut wrote: post #34
ivan_gammel wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In his first term he delivered a number of useful economic reforms with a team of liberal economists. Taxes, land ownership, banking, bankruptcy etc. The economic block in the government remains very professional and impartial even now. The only thing Russia really needed to become a normal state was to reform judicial branch, police and security services.

That would be 20 years ago? And then he created up own Oligarchs groups. > Taxes, land ownership, banking, bankruptcy etc. The economic block in the government remains very professional and impartial even now. Russia has one of highest inequalities and quite poor population. It is also heavily corrupt. The macroeconomics works, but lower levels don't. > The only thing Russia really needed to become a normal state was…

While all that you said is true regarding the current situation, 2000s were a different story regarding economics. Putin's pocket oligarchs did not have the same amount of influence and in that period of time plenty of new independent businesses were created, some of which became large companies. Yes, some of those are now being taken over by state, but again, that's not what was happening in 2000s. In 2000s Russia observed significant reduction in poverty and median income has actually increased. Unemployment rate was very low. That decade is called "plentiful 2000s" (сытые нулевые) for that reason. If Putin was not obsessed by Ukrainian Maidan events in 2004 - a turning point for him, we could see very different Russia today.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

paganel wrote: post #37
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #3

I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.

Because the US government had been aggressive in the past and it had no problems opening and maintaining data-centers in countries which had openly been against that aggression (I'm thinking mainly about France&Germany vs the US invasion of Iraq in 2003). Where Yandex mis-calculated is that Russia (the country) is not a hegemonic power like the US is (militarily, economically and culturally) and as such it doesn't ha…

That's not really comparable, is it? The US as a lot of leverage over Germany, France and most of the EU, so seeing them power off US datacenters would result in some serious sanctions and retaliation from the US that could hurt the EU. Whereas western EU countries have more leverage over Russian companies without fearing much retaliation. So it's not really the same scenario here.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by medo-bear »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #3

I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.

i guess there always exists a hypothesis that war was never planned. i mean russia once belived that nato would never move to the east. maybe they now regret ever pulling out of poland

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

rich_sasha wrote: post #82
Hamuko wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yandex bought the land in 2013, so it was before the invasion of Crimea.

But after Georgian invasion of 2008, and Chechen wars of 90s.

The west didn't really care about the invasion of Georgia or Chechnya. All they did was "condemn it" to save face, then moved one. Same with the occupation of Crimea in 2014, except that now they condemned it harder.

Same how the west also didn't care, that after WW2, the USSR occupied all of Eastern Europe, or that before that, Hitler occupied Austria and Sudetenland in Czechoslovakia.

Seems like there's a historically repeating pattern here where the amount of warmongering and territorial occupation you can get away with is directly proportional to to your military force and inversely proportional to the willingness of other states to go to war with you as the occupier. Just like how the US and its coalition got away scot free after bombing the shit out of Vietnam, the middle east and destabilizing North Africa. All we could do is "condemn it" and take in refugees.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by InCityDreams »

fulafel wrote: post #23
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #3

I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.

Russia and Europe spent a lot of time and invested a lot of faith to building commerce, in both Europe and Russia the prevailing idea was that the interdependency is a force for peace and stability and it seemed to be mostly working for a while. (Also Russia is also a very risky business environment, so hedging...) (Also^2 Yandex is not under sanctions, the current outage doesn't seem to be about sanctions according…

If the ruzzians had achieved their initial aims, ie 5 day war, the eu/ nato would have rolled right on over and it would have been business as usual.
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