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Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

#31

I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.

Should Google be preparing for sanctions against the US the next time they invade somewhere? Companies usually don't plan for unprecedented actions.

Which part you find unprecendented?

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

#32
post #23

I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.

Russia and Europe spent a lot of time and invested a lot of faith to building commerce, in both Europe and Russia the prevailing idea was that the interdependency is a force for peace and stability and it seemed to be mostly working for a while. (Also Russia is also a very risky business environment, so hedging...) (Also^2 Yandex is not under sanctions, the current outage doesn't seem to be about sanctions according…

it's worth noting that the whole EU starting from the earlier european communities was built on such an idea that tighter and tighter integration would make war unlikely (and in some cases, unthinkable).

While this didn't work out for the Russian relationship, it wasn't a totally stupid plan.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

#33

I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.

They have at least the Yango ride sharing service [1] that operates outside Russia (for example in Finland).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yango_(ride_sharing)

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

#34
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which years?

In his first term he delivered a number of useful economic reforms with a team of liberal economists. Taxes, land ownership, banking, bankruptcy etc. The economic block in the government remains very professional and impartial even now. The only thing Russia really needed to become a normal state was to reform judicial branch, police and security services.

That would be 20 years ago? And then he created up own Oligarchs groups.

> Taxes, land ownership, banking, bankruptcy etc. The economic block in the government remains very professional and impartial even now.

Russia has one of highest inequalities and quite poor population. It is also heavily corrupt. The macroeconomics works, but lower levels don't.

> The only thing Russia really needed to become a normal state was to reform judicial branch, police and security services.

That is kind of problem, given that Putin is former KGB agent, surrounded himself by alike people, became president duet to former KBG agents cooperating on gaining power ... Also, used both judicial branch and police against political opponents including journalists from day 1. They are corrupt basically as a matter of policy.

Putin did reformed judicial branch, police and security services. Just not the way we would like.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

#35
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia and Europe spent a lot of time and invested a lot of faith to building commerce, in both Europe and Russia the prevailing idea was that the interdependency is a force for peace and stability and it seemed to be mostly working for a while. (Also Russia is also a very risky business environment, so hedging...) (Also^2 Yandex is not under sanctions, the current outage doesn't seem to be about sanctions according…

it's worth noting that the whole EU starting from the earlier european communities was built on such an idea that tighter and tighter integration would make war unlikely (and in some cases, unthinkable). While this didn't work out for the Russian relationship, it wasn't a totally stupid plan.

This war has proven that as long as national interests are strong enough, those economical ties most likely won't last..which is a scary precedent for Europe in general.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

#36
post #24
post #17

Article is misleading. Yandex is not part of the sanctions yet. Electricity was cut simply because they failed to make a new contract. Finnish source: https://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/art-2000008786328.html

Yep, their electricity sales contract ~~expired~~ (EDIT: ended for unspecified reasons) and they don't have a new contract. Their electricity transfer contract is still valid because their Finnish company is not a part of sanctions. (Electricity sales and transfer is separate in Finland.) When they get a new electricity sales contract, then the transfer company will reconnect power. I think the only matter here relat…

As far as I understood, their electricity contract did not expire, or at least that was not explicitly mentioned. The transfer company, which now cut them from the grid, was their electricity seller until the end of 2021, and from the beginning of 2022 they had another seller provide them electricity, but that has ended for reasons unknown.

>"Hänen mukaansa aiemmin sähköä myi Yandexille Nivos Energia, mutta sopimus päättyi jo vuodenvaihteessa. Tilalle tuli uusi sähkönmyyjä, joka on nyt lopettanut sähkönmyynnin."

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

#37

I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.

Because the US government had been aggressive in the past and it had no problems opening and maintaining data-centers in countries which had openly been against that aggression (I'm thinking mainly about France&Germany vs the US invasion of Iraq in 2003).

Where Yandex mis-calculated is that Russia (the country) is not a hegemonic power like the US is (militarily, economically and culturally) and as such it doesn't have the same influencing power.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

#38
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should Google be preparing for sanctions against the US the next time they invade somewhere? Companies usually don't plan for unprecedented actions.

Which part you find unprecendented?

Nobody expected Russia to suddenly try to seize all of Ukraine. It went from nothing to suddenly surrounding the country in weeks, and even then people called the Biden admin nuts for saying Russia was going to do it. Then they did it.

Nobody expected sanctions that cut Russia off from the world to an extent comparable only to North Korea. It's just something that people didn't imagine could happen to modern economies. People said cutting Russia off from SWIFT was absolutely unreasonable, impossible, and nobody would seriously consider it. Heads of state said they'd never do it despite the circumstances. Then they flipped and approved of it.

It's easy to look back and say "lol it's obvious" since it's in the news everyday and we're densensitized to it by now. But it was really a mindblowing series of events.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

#39
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia and Europe spent a lot of time and invested a lot of faith to building commerce, in both Europe and Russia the prevailing idea was that the interdependency is a force for peace and stability and it seemed to be mostly working for a while. (Also Russia is also a very risky business environment, so hedging...) (Also^2 Yandex is not under sanctions, the current outage doesn't seem to be about sanctions according…

it's worth noting that the whole EU starting from the earlier european communities was built on such an idea that tighter and tighter integration would make war unlikely (and in some cases, unthinkable). While this didn't work out for the Russian relationship, it wasn't a totally stupid plan.

European countries were super naive to what Russia is becoming. Or rather more plausibly, willingly not looking there, because money.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

#40
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which years?

In his first term he delivered a number of useful economic reforms with a team of liberal economists. Taxes, land ownership, banking, bankruptcy etc. The economic block in the government remains very professional and impartial even now. The only thing Russia really needed to become a normal state was to reform judicial branch, police and security services.

It went from a post Soviet klepto capiltalist society to crony feudalism. Those are Putin's reforms. Every big business is controlled by Putin's mafia: Rosneft, Gazprom, Sberbank, VK, Yandex, etc. It mirrors Russia during Ivan the Terrible's rule quite well. Feudalism has no place in the 21st centrury.
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