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Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by Miner49er »

endisneigh wrote: post #32
wedn3sday wrote: post #16

It doesnt matter if the person themselves opposes the Ukrainian invasion, the person is representing Russia. Is it the tournament organizers job to vet the political views of every single participant to make sure they're sufficiently anti-putin? Blocking Russian participants isnt about blocking the individual people, its about sending a blanket statement across the board.

If that were actually the issue they’d be allowed to play, but not on behalf of Russia. Though I’m curious - how much time in your opinion has to pass before Russians are allowed to participate again? If actions have to be taken, which ones? If actions can be taken to allow them to participate then in a sense is that saying the actions are sufficient to compensate for the senseless killing of Ukrainians? If no time o…

> Though I’m curious - how much time in your opinion has to pass before Russians are allowed to participate again?

I think the idea in this case is that since many Ukranians can't play, Russians shouldn't be able to either. So I would think the sanctions would end when Ukraine isn't fighting anymore, and can participate again. That's at least the IOC's stance. [0]

[0] https://olympics.com/ioc/news/ioc-eb-recommends-no-participa...

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by imbnwa »

JaimeThompson wrote: post #34
imbnwa wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the domain of Mixed Martial Arts there's a discussion over whether to permit Russian nationals to have fights, even though the majority of Russian nationals in MMA are from colonized ethnic groups who live in the southern Russian republics, e.g. Chechnya, Dagestan, etc. Amateur wrestling would be completely fucked if it were to conceive and follow through on such a ban given the hegemony in amateur wrestling these…

>Chechnya Even if the invasion had never happened boycotting Chechnya would have been acceptable given their previous actions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya#LGBT_rights

Sure, but that's independent of the current conversation while not being wrong in its own context.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by brimble »

endisneigh wrote: post #79
brimble wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Didn't the USA carpet bomb many places in the Middle East with drones? The drone war's been horrible, but "carpet bomb" means a specific thing, so, no, the USA did not do that [EDIT] To be clear, this isn't pedantry—that doesn't even figuratively describe what's gone on.

Is this not carpet bombing? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-ir...

1) Not drones.

2) I assume you brought up drones in particular because the drone war has raged, as you wrote, "all over" the Middle East, which is part of what's alarming about it. Iraq and maybe Syria have experienced US-led saturation bombing during the drone war (but not by drones). Countries subject primarily to the drone part of the war have not.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by ASalazarMX »

sethbannon wrote: post #7

For those curious, Alexander Grischuk did put out a fairly strong statement of condemnation of the invasion: https://worldchess.com/news/all/alexander-grischuk-on-the-ru... Pretty brave of him.

Frankly I'm getting tired of all the psyops flood. This helps nil because they're only inconveniencing Alexander, not the Russian government, their military or their oligarchy. Of all the sports, I would have thought chess would be much less prone to politics because chess players are almost free agents.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by endisneigh »

brimble wrote: post #83
endisneigh wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this not carpet bombing? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-ir...

1) Not drones. 2) I assume you brought up drones in particular because the drone war has raged, as you wrote, "all over" the Middle East, which is part of what's alarming about it. Iraq and maybe Syria have experienced US-led saturation bombing during the drone war (but not by drones). Countries subject primarily to the drone part of the war have not.

1) fair enough. My mistake.

And yeah your interpretation of my point is correct.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by epivosism »

altcognito wrote: post #21
endisneigh wrote: post #3

Gotta love how discrimination is so easily spread. Like, this guy has said very many times in public that he doesn’t support the invasion, but he’s Russian, y’know? It’s sad how humanity just keeps doing the same thing over and over…

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What is the principle you're applying which results in punishing uninvolved, opposed people?

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by ASalazarMX »

dandanua wrote: post #30
sethbannon wrote: post #7

For those curious, Alexander Grischuk did put out a fairly strong statement of condemnation of the invasion: https://worldchess.com/news/all/alexander-grischuk-on-the-ru... Pretty brave of him.

It does nothing. It's a statement for the west audience. He can't say the same in Russian for the Russian audience loudly. Because in this case he will be put in jail for years. Wake up, Russia is a fascists state. Which is on the blood run.

Forbidding him to play chess also won't stop a single bullet or ruble destined to their war. This sudden Russian = Evil attitude is nonsensical, the Russian government and its oligarchy are the real evil, and they don't care for chess.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by ASalazarMX »

harshreality wrote: post #20

This initially may seem like unproductive, mistargeted overreaction. However, consider that if Russians can't do what they want to do, maybe they'll focus more efforts on fixing their country so it stops the invasion and doesn't do something like this ever again. It may not work, but every Russian needs to be thinking about that, with priority over their jobs and hobbies. Making things painful for them is one way to…

Make the Russian people suffer hoping they revolt, because freezing the foreign assets of the oligarchy is too dangerous. Got it.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by ivan90210 »

harshreality wrote: post #20

This initially may seem like unproductive, mistargeted overreaction. However, consider that if Russians can't do what they want to do, maybe they'll focus more efforts on fixing their country so it stops the invasion and doesn't do something like this ever again. It may not work, but every Russian needs to be thinking about that, with priority over their jobs and hobbies. Making things painful for them is one way to…

>Making things painful for them is one way to do that.

The problem with this sentiment is that you're assuming that Russians are anything like your people.

We'll endure being deprived of Lego toys and Disney cartoons just fine.

Re: Norway Chess cancels Alexander Grischuk

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Post by dang »

altcognito wrote: post #21
endisneigh wrote: post #3

Gotta love how discrimination is so easily spread. Like, this guy has said very many times in public that he doesn’t support the invasion, but he’s Russian, y’know? It’s sad how humanity just keeps doing the same thing over and over…

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