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Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by alasdair_ »

anonymoushn wrote: post #54
banana_maker wrote: post #36

The current marketing pitch (a personal gaming -coach-) has nothing to do with the current functionality of e.g. voicing timers or providing notifications. That's more akin to a personal assistant. I would also say that what it's doing with Valorant is cheating. It's providing additional cues and advantages automatically, that other players have to keep tabs on manually. The other players have to risk glancing at the…

This sounds like "Deadly Boss Mods for games other than WoW" which probably is just cheating. I'd be really interested in a product that does more of what a human coach would do.

I was thinking the same thing. Blizzard explicitly allows this kind of thing but most games do not.

Even with DBM - there used to be an addon that told you exactly where to stand to avoid different bosses attacks. That got banned pretty quickly because it over trivialized the mechanics.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by berkozer »

mike_d wrote: post #56
banana_maker wrote: post #36

The current marketing pitch (a personal gaming -coach-) has nothing to do with the current functionality of e.g. voicing timers or providing notifications. That's more akin to a personal assistant. I would also say that what it's doing with Valorant is cheating. It's providing additional cues and advantages automatically, that other players have to keep tabs on manually. The other players have to risk glancing at the…

Providing situational feedback during gameplay by way of an overlay or audio queues is clearly cheating. If I were an investor in this company, I'd be asking the founders what their plan is when they get banned by the major anti-cheat engines.

Thanks for sharing your feedback. We understand your concern but we are very careful to not develop any feature that would be considered as cheating for the majority of the gaming and game developer.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by Olcy07 »

banana_maker wrote: post #36

The current marketing pitch (a personal gaming -coach-) has nothing to do with the current functionality of e.g. voicing timers or providing notifications. That's more akin to a personal assistant. I would also say that what it's doing with Valorant is cheating. It's providing additional cues and advantages automatically, that other players have to keep tabs on manually. The other players have to risk glancing at the…

Thanks for your feedback. We understand your concern, but we do not share any information that is not available on your screen. In a sense, we provide an alternative interface so you can learn about the game dynamics to improve faster. All the features that we develop aims to accelerate the learning curve - so we do not share any information about your opponent, their location etc. that is not available to you while you are playing the game.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by berkozer »

interator7 wrote: post #71
bee_rider wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea of: > For example, we have an "Early Ganker" tag for the gamers who tend to gang in the early game. [...] We provide these tags based on only publicly accessible data on the official game publisher API. For example, any gamer can search for the opponents’ game data and conduct a similar analysis. also seems questionable to me. Is it common/practical to do this kind of thing in these games? It seems to me tha…

As a League of Legends player, it's very common. Virtually everyone that I know that plays this game has some sort of overlay(LolWiz, Porofessor, Blitz.gg, etc.) that provides unimaginable level of detail about the enemy team and my team before the game even begins. I can find out what the enemy players like to do("invade", or initiate cheese fights early), roam to other lanes in the map, and more. I know what their…

Thanks for the explanation. Senpai.gg is still in Beta and we're continuously improving our features.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by Olcy07 »

natdempk wrote: post #50
banana_maker wrote: post #36

The current marketing pitch (a personal gaming -coach-) has nothing to do with the current functionality of e.g. voicing timers or providing notifications. That's more akin to a personal assistant. I would also say that what it's doing with Valorant is cheating. It's providing additional cues and advantages automatically, that other players have to keep tabs on manually. The other players have to risk glancing at the…

I agree this feels like cheating. I read the Valorant page and they've basically re-implemented information that is available to you in game generally, but takes skill/timing/awareness to track and made it more obvious and automatically tracked. How is this not just a low-grade cheating program? If the game developers wanted you to have that information in the format Senpai.gg is giving it to you in, they would provi…

Thanks for sharing your feedback, I agree that it takes time to learn and implement the specific actions in the game - and that is the reason why we developed the gaming coach. Ideally, we want you to learn the game dynamics so you can play better, improve faster and enjoy the game more!

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by danr4 »

Oh man.. good luck. I don't think AI can ever replace human gaming coaches. Maybe for things like chess which have very strict rule-set.

Thing is, competitive games are so dynamic that there are countless options every single moment, and getting better is knowing how to choose the right option to minimize errors. Improving only comes from 3 things: Practice, watching your own games, and then practicing more. Human coaches are great because they can pinpoint tactical mistakes you've made throughout the game, as well as letting you know when you've done well, and there wasn't much you could have done better.

Things like "Early game gold loss" are absolutely meaningless, because many times that is completely acceptable in regards to your game plan. It's like saying "Opponent played better than you in the start".

These kind of things are more like "slight advantage in preparation to the match", but the Valorant stuff seems like straight up unfair advantage (i want to refrain from the word cheating but it's cutting close). Your true but "doesnt sound as good" marketing should be - we'll help you win more games up to a certain level where we aren't efficient anymore.

But hey, like I said, good luck.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by Olcy07 »

whateveracct wrote: post #53
natdempk wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree this feels like cheating. I read the Valorant page and they've basically re-implemented information that is available to you in game generally, but takes skill/timing/awareness to track and made it more obvious and automatically tracked. How is this not just a low-grade cheating program? If the game developers wanted you to have that information in the format Senpai.gg is giving it to you in, they would provi…

In-game coaching _is_ considered cheating in FGC tournaments

We do not target tournaments - any 3.rt part application or a human coach is also not allowed as well.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by berkozer »

whiskyant wrote: post #72
banana_maker wrote: post #36

The current marketing pitch (a personal gaming -coach-) has nothing to do with the current functionality of e.g. voicing timers or providing notifications. That's more akin to a personal assistant. I would also say that what it's doing with Valorant is cheating. It's providing additional cues and advantages automatically, that other players have to keep tabs on manually. The other players have to risk glancing at the…

Dota 2 allows for a real time coach to join your team during a match at any time, it's built into the game. They have full vision/information of what your team has. However, "Coaching is available in private lobbies, casual matchmaking, and Co-op bot matchmaking, but not Ranked matchmaking, Team matchmaking, or Tournament lobbies."

Yes, Valve has a similar vision for CS:GO as well. We don't provide any coaching services for tournament or professional events.
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