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Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by walterbell »

beefman wrote: post #35

This is based on VAERS data. I encourage the curious to look at this data. I did. I would characterize its quality as so poor that probably no conclusions at all can be drawn from it. And I usually find myself defending the use of noisy and/or small data in similar situations.

> Shimabukuro also said the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) - another safety monitoring system - showed an increased incidence of heart inflammation in 16 to 39 year olds after their second shot when compared to the rate observed after the first dose.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensuringsafety/monitoring/...

> The Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) is a collaborative project between CDC’s Immunization Safety Office and nine health care organizations. The VSD started in 1990 and continues today in order to monitor safety of vaccines and conduct studies about rare and serious adverse events following immunization.

The nine HMOs are:

  Kaiser Permanente Washington, Seattle, WA
  Harvard Pilgrim Health Care Institute, Boston, MA
  HealthPartners Institute, Minneapolis, MN
  Kaiser Permanente Northwest, Portland, OR
  Kaiser Permanente Northern CA
  Kaiser Permanente CO
  Denver Health, CO
  Marshfield Clinic Research Institute, WI
  Kaiser Permanente Southern CA

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by [deleted] »

newsclues wrote: post #62
lame-robot-hoax wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but the route in which a vaccination takes place (IM injection into deltoid) should mean that much much less of the spike protein ends up in the heart and lungs vs a natural infection. As well, the overall amount of spike protein in the body will be less. https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/05/04/sp... “Consider what happens when you’re infected by the actual coronavirus. We know now that the hug…

“Should” Has it been tested?

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Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by thatswrong0 »

popotamonga wrote: post #10
thatswrong0 wrote: post #3

Anecdote: I had this reaction to the 2nd dose of the Pfizer vaccine, saw a cardiologist and she mentioned that she’s been seeing this quite a bit after the second dose. Have had to lay low for a month, but it seems like the symptoms are finally passing.

What kind of symptoms makes one go to a cardiologist? Just curious

I went to the doctor because of general shortness of breath all the time, heart rate spiking during normal activity like standing up, palpitations out the wazoo, and general fatigue.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by Izkata »

peanut_worm wrote: post #78

Did anyone else get really bad side effects? I felt awful after my first shot and now I an currently recovering from my second shot and feel even worse. I don’t think I have ever felt this bad from an illness.

It's a thing: https://old.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by Kognito »

mrfusion wrote: post #70
Kognito wrote: post #25

Very interesting given one of the lesser known complications of covid can be myocarditis in otherwise healthy individuals with few or no other covid symptoms. In fact, it’s likely the incidence of covid-induced myocarditis is vastly underreported given it often shows no symptoms and can only reasonably be diagnosed with a cardiac MRI which is not always widely available or advised for less-serious heart conditions. I…

COVID induced myocarditis has been thoroughly disproven: https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-strai...

Thanks for the article, an interesting read for sure. It’s nice to see there’s been plenty of follow-up study on this.

Respectfully, you’re wrong to say “thoroughly disproven”. Even the article ends with the suggestion that it’s a side-effect of covid, albeit a rare one.

The article’s position is more that it was overblown to worry about stopping young athletes from competing for fear of myo being a common side-effect as opposed to the ~1% rate the studies have since shown.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by newsclues »

VoiceOfWisdom wrote: post #79
newsclues wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Should” Has it been tested?

Its in testing right now.

I’m listening to the livestream on Bret Weinstein’s channel and they are discussing data that states the opposite including data that shows a concentration in the ovaries.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by codyb »

notjes wrote: post #80
beefman wrote: post #35

This is based on VAERS data. I encourage the curious to look at this data. I did. I would characterize its quality as so poor that probably no conclusions at all can be drawn from it. And I usually find myself defending the use of noisy and/or small data in similar situations.

Covid-19 is meticulously measured and tracked in every human being, but no one is interested in adverse vaccine effects. Things that make you think...

No one's interested in adverse vaccine side effects?

That seems rather counter to my impression which is based on the number of adults who're hesitant and the fact that FDA halted use of Johnson and Johnson vaccines once already and Europe has had it's own fair share of hand wringing about the Astro-Zeneca vaccine.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by breadzeppelin__ »

splithalf wrote: post #44

We’ve known this for a month or so. The bottom line is that experts still recommend getting the vaccine.

meanwhile the many experts who don't recommend it are widely and very vocally shunned as 'science deniers'.

Andddd downvoted. Cant even point out that there are actual experts on both sides of the argument without people being upset about it.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by Aaronstotle »

After reading various comments here, I think I might have experienced this after my first dose (Moderna). Noticed some slight chest pain the day after during my ride and my heart rate was about 10bpm higher than normal.

Never had any noticeable symptoms after, please take this with a grain of salt because I do cycle a lot (~2-400 miles a month) and I'm not representative of the general population.

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