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Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by grishka »

chronogram wrote: post #54

> Another major nit I have to pick with HarmonyOS is its lack of access and transparency. Just accessing the SDK and emulator required me to go through an insane process that involved uploading a photo of my US passport and credit card to Huawei’s servers so that I could be approved to access the SDK after a two-day waiting period. Most companies just have a download link. You don’t get to run the emulator locally on…

> it compiled Android apps with a different file extension

It seems that you don't even need the SDK — just build an apk with the regular Android SDK and rename it.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by b112 »

swiley wrote: post #9
throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

This doesn't sound any worse than iOS. If you're worried about personal computing you can rest assured that it died for the average consumer a decade ago.

I believe this is the wrong way to put it.

Personal computing never existed for the average consumer. The computing market was filled with hobbiests, specialists, and those needing a computer for some task. EG, authors typing manuscripts (part time work?).

Since then, the average consumer bought phones with extra fluff on it. They use it as toys, gimmicky things.

During that time of the average consumer buying phones, general purpose computing device use had still grown. It has merely shrunk as the overall percentage of "computing devices owned by people".

Nothing has died. General computing device purchasing and usage is at an all time high..

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by Daho0n »

serf wrote: post #73
BelenusMordred wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically the report button on github. This 1 hour old account clearly has an axe to grind. The criticisms aren't even decent.

>It's basically the report button on github. No, it isn't. The report button for github goes here.[0] A github hosted feedback/review system. The link on gitee goes here[1]. A website ran by "Central Information Office Network (National Internet Information Office)" , Beijing. If you can't spot the difference in methodologies then I'm not sure what else to say. [0]: https://support.github.com/contact/report-abuse?cat…

Did you follow the link and read what is supposed to reported?

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by swiley »

b112 wrote: post #82
swiley wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't sound any worse than iOS. If you're worried about personal computing you can rest assured that it died for the average consumer a decade ago.

I believe this is the wrong way to put it. Personal computing never existed for the average consumer. The computing market was filled with hobbiests, specialists, and those needing a computer for some task. EG, authors typing manuscripts (part time work?). Since then, the average consumer bought phones with extra fluff on it. They use it as toys, gimmicky things. During that time of the average consumer buying phones…

Consumers had PCs for a while before smartphones became popular.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by throwaway4good »

yorwba wrote: post #80
throwaway4good wrote: post #56

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It is also kinda biased and just stuck at the old this just a copy of Android record. For example the release notes mentions a new JS UI framework at the OS level with the potential to replace Android Java completely. Had Google or Apple done this it would be sitting pretty on the hn front page for days. Here it is just ignored in the politics of Huawei.

You could try submitting the documentation/demo page for that new JS UI framework.

I did submit this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27378926

Which has some example code - as I understand it the apps will look just like android apps.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by Daho0n »

brodo wrote: post #31
Santosh83 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Acknowledgement is lip service, especially decades after the fact. If they provide significant compensation, then yes. There is hope for better days for China too, but not by portraying them as unmitigated evil. I can't think of any significant nation that has caved to orchestrated, vested moral outrage and said "sorry you guys... we'll hold elections next years and play by your rules henceforth", especially when the…

Germany will provide around 1.1 billion EUR but they will do it by sponsoring social projects over the next 30 years.

Do you have other examples?

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by swiley »

chronogram wrote: post #54

> Another major nit I have to pick with HarmonyOS is its lack of access and transparency. Just accessing the SDK and emulator required me to go through an insane process that involved uploading a photo of my US passport and credit card to Huawei’s servers so that I could be approved to access the SDK after a two-day waiting period. Most companies just have a download link. You don’t get to run the emulator locally on…

I tried doing iOS dev years ago. Apple had me fax them my driver's license. You can whine about the FSF all you want but I've never had to do that to use gcc.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by swiley »

flakiness wrote: post #46

Huawei has "OS Kernel Lab" in their research division [1] and seems to do real research, including building an OS kernel. I guess they at least tried to ditch Android at a point. I'm not supporting their PR strategy. Just interesting to see where a corporate research goes. [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=huawei+OS+Kernel+Lab

The Linux kernel is the singular decent component of Android.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by Dah00n »

c01n wrote: post #28
throwaway4good wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be cool if we could discuss the technology for once instead of spinning into a geopolitical discussion or meaningless copycat allegations which likely will lead nowhere.

This kind of pragmatism is what leads to this kind of dystopian technologies.

If you want this discussion then you are on the wrong site because it is specifically mentioned in the rules not to do this. This adds nothing of value to the thread but it does add a lot of negatives (and lots of racism).
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