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Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by monocasa »

throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

Can Huawei use Github anymore? Wouldn't that be US based technology that would be fined or worse if they allowed Huawei on in an explicit way?

And don't most sites have a "tell the mods about something that looks illegal" button? I see a big 'flag' button here.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by swiley »

throwaway4good wrote: post #14
throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

It would be cool if we could discuss the technology for once instead of spinning into a geopolitical discussion or meaningless copycat allegations which likely will lead nowhere.

It would be cool if the technology wasn't abused to push political regimes.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by powerapple »

throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

The "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Information." is link to government website for user to report illegal and harmful information. It is a link, not part of gitee website.

It is better translated into "Portal for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Information", the linked website is: https://12377.cn/

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by onion2k »

throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

"Virtually all Chinese apps are designed from the ground-up to support purging information deemed undesirable" seems like a very biased way of saying "Chinese apps, like pretty much every app anyone writes that features user generated content, have a reporting feature to tell admin about content that they might then delete if necessary."

YouTube has a reporting feature. Does that mean Google engineers are censorship-first, anti-freedom Communists who want to end freedom too?

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by izacus »

suction wrote: post #11
throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

Yet as a European I wonder - what with the neofascist takeover attempts powered by post truth and fake news (aka "harmful information") that were successful in Russia, and will probably some day be successful in the US...maybe China is on to something good here?

Um... did you just miss the whole 4 years of Trump administration in US? Or are you just completely oblivious about how all of these structures are already well entrenched in the west?

It's horrifying to see these posts - west has many of those criticized evil structures from China and somehow the conversation still ends up in xenophobia instead of approaches how we can purge these things from our societies.

This also goes for the root comment - notice how they complain about Huawei not publishing their code into western owned corporate repository beholden to western unaccountable laws like DMCA. Also notice how it ignores that iOS, completely censored by a Californian corporation, exists. They just care that these violations of freedoms are happening under a different flag, not that they exist.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by tome »

monocasa wrote: post #21
throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

Can Huawei use Github anymore? Wouldn't that be US based technology that would be fined or worse if they allowed Huawei on in an explicit way? And don't most sites have a "tell the mods about something that looks illegal" button? I see a big 'flag' button here.

Could you expand? Why would Github be fined if they let Huawei on their service?

> And don't most sites have a "tell the mods about something that looks illegal" button? I see a big 'flag' button here.

Perhaps. I think the debate is about exactly what is illegal, not about features that allow reporting illegal activity.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by c01n »

throwaway4good wrote: post #14
throwaway6421 wrote: post #5

Just wanted to point out that this whole ecosystem is built on the principle of "censorship first." If you take a look at the docs [1], you'll notice that they're not hosted on GitHub (which allows content critical of the CCP), but rather on Gitee, which is a Chinese-grown alternative. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and you'll see the option "违法和不良信息举报中心": "Control Panel for Reporting Illegal and Harmful Info…

It would be cool if we could discuss the technology for once instead of spinning into a geopolitical discussion or meaningless copycat allegations which likely will lead nowhere.

This kind of pragmatism is what leads to this kind of dystopian technologies.

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by FrozenSynapse »

Santosh83 wrote: post #13
mosselman wrote: post #7

Fascinating to see how much is 'inspired' by Apple's design and Microsoft's for the document app. I'd feel dirty in so blatantly copying someone else's design, but Huawei doesn't share those concerns. Maybe for good reason.

Yeah of course the same way Western world feels "dirty" because they copied Yoga or patented indigenous herbals or any number of other things? Perhaps it's time we recognised ideas and concepts are meant to be taken up and extended by other people? That's how humans have progressed these thousands of years. Not by paranoid, corporate silos and NIH syndrome and draconian patents.

wtf? How can you copy Yoga?! You can copy a design language tho

Re: Huawei replaces Android with HarmonyOS, which is also Android

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

swiley wrote: post #22
throwaway4good wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be cool if we could discuss the technology for once instead of spinning into a geopolitical discussion or meaningless copycat allegations which likely will lead nowhere.

It would be cool if the technology wasn't abused to push political regimes.

Not that the US military regime and imposed technological supremacy is much better (for us non American)

see

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27338555

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