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Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by a_t48 »

aardvarkr wrote: post #65
M_bara wrote: post #52

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Not to pour water on your statement, I'd say that the rate of change counts more. Nailing your first landing attempt on a powered descent (rocket-crate equivalent) is no mean feat. I'm actually pleasantly surprised given the high failure rate of Mars missions.

I went from earning $10K/yr as a student to a $120K income full time over the course of a month, why aren't you worshipping me and writing news articles about my accomplishment? Is it because rate of change doesn't count as much as you think it does?

Hey man, congrats on the new job.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

xwdv wrote: post #44
justicezyx wrote: post #31

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Same for China enable someone who is in charge of the mission to do whatever it is that person does... Can we stop for a moment to label anything from China with political statement?... Things are built by people, not some random business man...

It is hard to separate China from such statements because China and its people are tightly coupled to the government. Not like the United States.

There’s no need for xenophobic trash comments

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by magicsmoke »

xupybd wrote: post #74
magicsmoke wrote: post #61

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If you're in the Americas, Europe, or Australia that will never happen in your lifetime. Think about how plausible the US annexing China and controlling it would be. Now flip that around and double the difficulty. If you're in southeast asia the calculus changes. But the cost benefit analysis really leans against annexing hostile locals these days unless it's some nationalist mythology like China and Taiwan. And if y…

I'm in New Zealand and have family in Vietnam. It's a soft ideological take over I'm worried about with both. Vietnam being far more likely than New Zealand but we get a lot of economic benefit from China and they are buying up agriculture in New Zealand.

Vietnam I wouldn't be worried about. China's burned it's hand in those jungles before, I doubt they're keen to do it again. As for those island disputes all I can say is good luck and at least they're not heavily populated. Unfortunately Asia still has a lot of uncleaned messes left over from the 1940s what with the constant tug of war between China and the US ever since China went communist. Vietnam isn't exactly democratic though, but I guess that's why you're in New Zealand.

As for new Zealand, remember that you always have massive leverage over China in the form of nationalizing their purchases. Don't let wealth from China be a crutch. Enjoy it but know how to live life without it if the price of wealth is too great.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by tfcata »

aardvarkr wrote: post #69
insert_coin wrote: post #50

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> China runs the largest IP theft program in the world. To the point U.S. companies factor it in when doing business there. This sounds pretty voluntary.

Ah yes, voluntary theft. That's a thing that we can justify now, huh?

You need to go back to school and re-take a course on logic.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by FpUser »

throwaway1997 wrote: post #75
justicezyx wrote: post #35

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> I'm not super happy about how they treat their own people Chinese people are certainly treated better from CCP than American people are treated. Look at the hate crimes targeted at Asian...

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Why does every post about China ends up about them abusing human rights, stealing etc. etc.

"Whataboutism" balances a hypocrisy when one POS is trying to tell the other POS how to behave and when confronted with facts ends up telling that we are not as bad POS as the other POS.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by eunos »

dartharva wrote: post #33

Um.. why isn't this being talked about more? I remember the discussions were very lively everywhere from Youtube to HN and Reddit when India was attempting to land its probe on the moon. A rover on Mars is a huge thing! Why are discussions relatively tame now?

Western media are more interested on China's failure than her success. Example : Recent hyping of Long March uncontrolled reentry.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by hungryhobo »

aardvarkr wrote: post #65
M_bara wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to pour water on your statement, I'd say that the rate of change counts more. Nailing your first landing attempt on a powered descent (rocket-crate equivalent) is no mean feat. I'm actually pleasantly surprised given the high failure rate of Mars missions.

I went from earning $10K/yr as a student to a $120K income full time over the course of a month, why aren't you worshipping me and writing news articles about my accomplishment? Is it because rate of change doesn't count as much as you think it does?

i think the difference is that only 2 countries have successfully landed on Mars while the amount of people earning 120k is quite high

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by eunos »

magicsmoke wrote: post #61
xupybd wrote: post #51

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I truly believe that the majority of Chinese civilians are well treated under their current government. I also think the treatment of the Uyghurs is scary. That the control of media flowing into China is so controlled that the people are not free. The lack of democracy means there are not enough checks and balances to keep the people free. The way the one child policy has been enforced is not humane. The oppression o…

If you're in the Americas, Europe, or Australia that will never happen in your lifetime. Think about how plausible the US annexing China and controlling it would be. Now flip that around and double the difficulty. If you're in southeast asia the calculus changes. But the cost benefit analysis really leans against annexing hostile locals these days unless it's some nationalist mythology like China and Taiwan. And if y…

> heading north

Meanwhile latest census shows that the Northeastern China peoples are shifting to the South.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by eunos »

throwaway1997 wrote: post #75
justicezyx wrote: post #35

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> I'm not super happy about how they treat their own people Chinese people are certainly treated better from CCP than American people are treated. Look at the hate crimes targeted at Asian...

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I do not see whataboutism as mistake/pitfalls. Considering the western media always shot/criticizing first.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by idiotsecant »

M_bara wrote: post #52
newacct583 wrote: post #45

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SpaceX is no doubt cool. Nonetheless we're discussing China landing its first rover on a planet NASA's been flying a helicopter around for the last month. I mean, both are great accomplishments, but if you have to treat it as a competition and pick a winner...

Not to pour water on your statement, I'd say that the rate of change counts more. Nailing your first landing attempt on a powered descent (rocket-crate equivalent) is no mean feat. I'm actually pleasantly surprised given the high failure rate of Mars missions.

I'd agree rate of change counts more if both parties were at comparable technology levels. When you're still playing catchup there's a lot of opportunities to take certain engineering shortcuts.
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